QBZ-191 service rifle family

Blitzo

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I wonder if there can be any way to mitigate Type 191 rifle's recoil,maybe a stock replacement, or foregrips?

If you're referring to the part at 4:07, recoil is pretty visibly reasonable consider the guy is firing with only a hand on the pistol grip with the front of the rifle on a stand, with the offhand at the stock rather than stabilizing it at the front.

There are a fair few videos of soldiers or law enforcement shooting the rifle with lesser effect, so it's really just a positional/grip choice.
 

qwerty3173

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I wonder if there can be any way to mitigate Type 191 rifle's recoil,maybe a stock replacement, or foregrips?
It's already designed to have as minimal recoil as possible. They optimized the 191 for full auto instead of single shot performance (The rounds are slower than the 95 and the service life is much, much longer).
 

hooly

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It's already designed to have as minimal recoil as possible. They optimized the 191 for full auto instead of single shot performance (The rounds are slower than the 95 and the service life is much, much longer).

Is that why they gave the QBZ191 that AR type buffer tube? does a buffer mitigate recoil that significantly? I've heard 5.8mm is comparable to 5.56mm and 5.45mm and the trend in battle rifles is getting rid of buffer tubes so that stocks can be folded for compact storage.
 

hooly

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Will these QBZ variants sell? I mean the AK owns the 7.62mm and the M4 (and other NATO platforms) owns the 5.56 markets.
 

Jose B. Torres

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Will these QBZ variants sell? I mean the AK owns the 7.62mm and the M4 (and other NATO platforms) owns the 5.56 markets.
In the video, there was a glimpse of the QBZ variants in 5.56 NATO; 7.62x39mm and 7.62 NATO, which means they are committed to export these variants around the world, like Venezuela, which is reported that they use the QBZ-97 bullpup rifle. I'll be no surprised if the QBZ-191 would enter service with the Bolivarian Army of Venezuela, supplementing their AK-103's; while their militias are issued with AK pattern firearms that could replace the obsolete Mosin-Nagant rifles and carbines.
 

hooly

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In the video, there was a glimpse of the QBZ variants in 5.56 NATO; 7.62x39mm and 7.62 NATO, which means they are committed to export these variants around the world, like Venezuela, which is reported that they use the QBZ-97 bullpup rifle. I'll be no surprised if the QBZ-191 would enter service with the Bolivarian Army of Venezuela, supplementing their AK-103's; while their militias are issued with AK pattern firearms that could replace the obsolete Mosin-Nagant rifles and carbines.

Instead of creating variants with different calibers, the Chinese should just encourage the use of 5.8x42mm and crank out the standard QBZ191 for domestic and foreign sales. China can gain through this economies of scale like the M4/5.56 users around the world.

That QBZ191 in 5.56mm with that ridiculous magazine well taking AR mags looks like a mutilation of a beautiful firearm, ... what next, a QBZ with a forward assist??
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Technically QBZ191 already has a forward assist.
5.56x45mm’s economy of scale works because of NATO and NATO alignment. A standards organization that moonlights as a security mechanism.
7.62x39mm works on economies of scale just because it’s so plentiful across the world and in stockpiles that are easily accessible.
Trying to get someone to buy into 5.8x42mm well the closest thing I could think of would be Venezuela’s procurement of the AK103. A single country in a region that has no history of using the AK bought it. How did they justify that? They got a whole factory for rifles and ammunition from Russia because sole source is just not realistic.
 
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