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QBZ-191 service rifle family
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FriedRiceNSpice
Captain
Wonder why the PLA is being so guarded and secretive about something as mundane as an assault rifle.
Can't wait to find out the muzzle velocity and barrel length.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Because of the low resolution it could be just with shadows. I mean it’s very poor quality. The rifle you are posting is also very similar to the Type 03 in profile.Does not really look like a type03. I think that is it. After years of guessing, turns out we have already seen it without knowing.
The Cs/LR-17 was designed as a “Sino-Scar” so rechambering for 5.8x42 was always an option
What ever the actual product the CS/LR17 shows a possible fork of development. However all indications are a very conservative design.
It’s still a closed system. The PLA doesn’t like to show things until they are ready to show it off. That’s just the way it is. Heck early in the history of the AK the Russians issued a special cover to prevent enemy agents from seeing it. The CIA’s first report on it included a doodle of the rifle!
Of course even to a degree the same can be said if some western programs. In the US we have seen 2 of the 3 NGSW offerings.
No reason for that secrecy it’s just the maker wants to make is a surprise for AUSA. Well the PLA wanted to make is a surprise for the Parade just as the Soviets wanted it to be one for just the right May Day parade.
No, NORINCO (PLA in civilian dress) has been showing it for more than a year in exhibition in the name of "CS/LR-17". The PLA version maybe almost identical but with 5.8mm barrel.
5.8 version of CS/LR-17 apparently wasn't accepted into service, the new rifle is something different.
Did I miss something here? I mean photos of the new rifle in this forum. I was away for few weeks, did not follow the development.
Might be worth looking at the beginning of this thread.
We've had a fair few pictures of "new rifles" over the last few years, some of which were the CS/LR-17 for export, some of which were a different design (or designs) under trial, as well as a schematic picture of what is thought to be the finalized design for the PLA.
However we don't yet know what the actual design the PLA selected should be, because we haven't had a picture of the new rifle as part of the PLA until post #42 in this thread.
... and even the picture in post #42 is rather blurry and doesn't tell us anything new beyond what we already knew -- i.e.: it doesn't offer any details beyond knowing it's a conventional configuration rifle with top rail and ability to mount some accessories.
Then I did not miss anything because this new round of discussion is due to post #42 till now.
Because the photo is blurry and someone mentioned that it looks similar to CS/LR-17 (but can also look similar to others since it is very blurry), that is why I said "maybe identical but chambered 5.8mm".
However, AZaz09dude's post 56 was very certain of anything but CS/LR-17 related. To say that we should have had a much clearer photo. That's why I wonder if he has seen anything that I did not.
Ah I see what you mean.
I believe the assertion that CS/LR17 not being adopted for PLA service in 5.8mm was from this picture, which was from a year and a half ago. The picture here shows a rendition of what I suspect is CS/LR17 between the version we saw at Zhuhai 2016 and the one we saw in 2018.
Your post here made it seem like you were suggesting that the new service rifle could be the CS/LR-17 but chambered in 5.8mm:
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Generally speaking, in fact I would go as far to say that we have no reason to suspect that the new service rifle should be expected to look like CS/LR17, and we had every reason to suspect CS/LR17 was not going to be accepted into PLA service seeing as it was openly shown as a product for export.