QBZ-191 service rifle family

totenchan

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I think it's also because the rifle is simply a bit too short, especially its handguard.

If the gun, or at least its handguard is longer, that could lead to better, more comfortable handling.
I disagree. the Rifle isn't fine, stop excusing the poor design, QBZ-95 and QBZ191 has poor ergonomics the Handguard is too short same goes for the QBZ-95. A assault rifle is not supposed to force you into holding the Iron Sight of the gun with your index finger touching the Iron Sight.

It's just uncomfortable and impractical that way.
Am I missing something? The QBZ-191's butt stock is adjustable for length, why does the handguard need to be longer?
There's a really good reason you have adjustable Iron Sights it pertains to the users length and comfort to it's best. Almost every Modular Rifle allows you to remove the Iron Sight and displace it.
There's plenty of rifles where you can't remove the irons.

Starts to get tired of all these arguments. Y'all have it almost everyday.

It's probably just due to the rifle's poor ergonomics, that's it.

As soldiers, they always need to work around equipments and eventually get used to it, it's common sense.
I am getting really tired of all these arguments as well, almost nothing posted in this thread is actually interesting anymore. Having differing opinions is one thing, actively instigating is another.
 

totenchan

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As clearly stated in the video, we do not engage in firing 20 rounds while using this posture. Though tolerated as an emergency contingency stance within our military, it is not actively promoted.
Why are you trying to use Backthrust videos to try and defend your position when he has probably half a dozen videos alone talking about how bad current PLA/PAP training practices are?
 

Leakage

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Am I missing something? The QBZ-191's butt stock is adjustable for length, why does the handguard need to be longer?

There's plenty of rifles where you can't remove the irons.


I am getting really tired of all these arguments as well, almost nothing posted in this thread is actually interesting anymore. Having differing opinions is one thing, actively instigating is another.
You misread that, I said the butt stock is god awful, It lacks cheek wielder not that the stock can't be adjusted. just doesn't extend as long as needed so the better option is instead of increasing the extension length, Just replace the current handguard with a custom one tailored for better ergonomics.
 

by78

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I disagree. the Rifle isn't fine, stop excusing the poor design, QBZ-95 and QBZ191 has poor ergonomics the Handguard is too short same goes for the QBZ-95. A assault rifle is not supposed to force you into holding the Iron Sight of the gun with your index finger touching the Iron Sight.

I do wonder if the handguard was a compromise in order to satisfy some old peasants' fetish with fitting bayonets on rifles. It wouldn't surprise me if this ancient requirement was insisted upon when the rifle was being developed.
 

Aniah

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I do wonder if the handguard was a compromise in order to satisfy some old peasants' fetish with fitting bayonets on rifles. It wouldn't surprise me if this ancient requirement was insisted upon when the rifle was being developed.
I am 99.99% certain it was. Looking at the internals and other parts, the designers clearly knew how to make a proper rifle but was limited by the design requirements given to them.
 

by78

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I am 99.99% certain it was. Looking at the internals and other parts, the designers clearly knew how to make a proper rifle but was limited by the design requirements given to them.

At least they could have tried an adapter so the handguard didn’t need to be so compromised.
 

by78

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Another disassembly photo.

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