QBZ-191 service rifle family

Blitzo

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Discussing while posting pictures of the QBZ192 handguard the captain that is satisfied they are referring to I am uncertain.

The continuing use of grip pod style handles is somewhat odd, especially for the carbine length rifle, and also as it looks like there's a handstop ahead of the grip pod too..

But at least that is a nice picture of the carbine length 192 with the short version of the handguard, previously the short version of the handguard was only seen on the rifle length 191 (edit, at least, I thought it looked like the short version... but it actually seems like there are either some differences, or it is a revised version)
 

plawolf

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Agreed on OT, so I'll make a final response and opinion. I also used the ADNVG G14P2 as a benchmark and was definitely impressed by it. However, in regards to latency, while the initial footage is good, the problem is that it is too limited. The user didn't spin around with it and perform more maneuvers that one would do in an engagement or on austere terrain. So its latency quality is still up for question unless someone uses it extensively and records the performance.

As for the cost, give it a couple years and it will go down. However, as of now, even low end analog NOD's still have advantages that gives them an edge over the G14P2, so this digital NOD still isn't worth it imo.

As with most things in life, it’s not nearly as straightforwards as A being better than B.

Analog has distinct advantages over current gen civilian digital, chiefly in sensitivity, latency and battery life. For personal use, I would pick a gen2 IIT over the best civilian digital any time. But analog also has its own drawbacks, the biggest is just how delicate the tubes are. It’s so easy to get blems and mess them up from even careful use. Mass issue them to common grunts and expect a decently high attrition rate from accidental damage well above digital units.

However, it has been mentioned many times now that the PLA general issue digital mono isn’t just a NOD, but has built in comms and media capabilities such as video streaming and text display iirc. While of little use to individual civilians, I can easily see how PLA command would highly value the added tactics capabilities those additional features give them in the field. And this may explain why they are not in such a hurry to issue individual comms gear en mass to all troops if they can issue text based orders to all members of a squad via their monos, and individual soldiers can stream their mono feed up the chain for important discoveries.

Battery life also shouldn’t be an issue for the PLA standard issue monos since they use a battery pack instead of batteries, which also help to better balance the weight distribution on helmets.

Latency is also a minimal issue. In real life you don’t zip around like a cocked up squirrel like in modern FPS games. Even with the best IIT NODs in the world, if you are twerking your head around fast enough for the minute latency differences to matter, you are not giving yourself any realistic chance to spot jack shit anyways.

Out in the field, you should be doing slow, deliberate scans. Because night vision isn’t magic. Anything with camo is going to be harder to see with NODs in the dark than with your mk1 eyeball in the daytime. The ‘superpower’ of NODs is that it allows you to see things moving in the dark when they think they are hidden. Movement is by far the biggest factor when it comes to target acquisition with NODs. Someone with decent camo and staying still in a good position can remain undetectable to even the best NODs right up to literal touching distance. That is why thermal is such a huge force multiplier in night fights, since it negates most forms of camo and allows easy detection of targets hidden in good cover.

The only realistic scenarios where the latency differences between IITs and digital will really matter are in aviation, parachute jumps, and room clearing CQB. That’s why PLAAF pilots, PLA paratroopers, special forces and airborne are the ones who generally get IITs, whereas most general infantry gets digital.
 

Saru

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The continuing use of grip pod style handles is somewhat odd, especially for the carbine length rifle, and also as it looks like there's a handstop ahead of the grip pod too..

But at least that is a nice picture of the carbine length 192 with the short version of the handguard, previously the short version of the handguard was only seen on the rifle length 191 (edit, at least, I thought it looked like the short version... but it actually seems like there are either some differences, or it is a revised version)

They are likely testing out the sturdiness of their handguard and seeing how many attachments can fit in one space.
 

Blitzo

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They are likely testing out the sturdiness of their handguard and seeing how many attachments can fit in one space.

I doubt that is their goal lol, because there would be better and more realistic combinations of attachments to fit if they wanted to do that (laser, torch, small vertical grip etc).
 
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