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tamsen_ikard

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In 20 years will the US remain the most powerful state and still be as hegemonic as it is now?​

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/16u3iry
Interesting discussion in this thread. Literally no one mentions China as having any meaningful power in the next 20 years. Its as if China is completely defeated. They think this so called slowdown is it for China. They are more worried about India becoming a bigger power now. But overwhelmingly people think US will growing richer and more powerful and will continue to dominate the world. I know r/Geopolitics is no longer a place of intelligent people anymore. Its a cesspull of Pro-western lowest denominator intelligence.

I would like to see what people in this forum think about this. Where do you US and its power will be compared to China and other in 20 years?
 
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OTCDebunker

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tamsen_ikard said:

In 20 years will the US remain the most powerful state and still be as hegemonic as it is now?​

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/16u3iry
Interesting discussion in this thread. Literally no one mentions China as having any meaningful power in the next 20 years. Its as if China is completely defeated. They think this so called slowdown is it for China. They are more worried about India becoming a bigger power now. But overwhelmingly people think US will growing richer and more powerful and will continue to dominate the world. I know r/Geopolitics is no longer a place of intelligent people anymore. Its a cesspull of Pro-western lowest denominator intelligence.

I would like to see what people in this forum think about this. Where do you US and its power will be compared to China and other in 20 years?
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As an American (in name only) I cannot see at all how things will be better in 20 years.

I wholeheartedly believe that things will be much worse.

Look at American 'achievements'...where are they?

Nowhere to be found!

What areas do you see where America will be able to not just be the number 1 winner of, but also where they can maintain the massive gap they had over everyone else in just the 2000s?

None!

Finance? Lol please check my post history for an explanation of why American finance is utter fraud.

Tech? Ok prior to Huawei's outFUCKINGstanding victory over MURIkkka I was a little worried about Chinese tech. It's not that I don't think china cant win..it's that my estimation for the timeline was much longer and that America would be able to figure out some other strategy before china could achieve victory or parity. I'm very happy I was wrong.

Education? Ok now you're just being mean if you want to talk about this subject with how stupid these MURIkkkan kids are getting by the second.

Politicians? You gotta be kidding me right? Do any of you, even one person, for the smallest of nano seconds see a SINGLE murican politician on the horizon who can save them? No how about this..do you see even a single American politician that can converse like a person who even has basic manners like the way they used to at least pretend to have civility before trump?

Manufacturing? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is why I have already decided that I am going to be just like some of these greedy corporate MURIkkkan CEOs. I'm going to do whatever it takes to grab as much money and as much of this pie as I can, and everyone else can go fuck themselves for all I care. Then once it's my turn to retire I'm going to a nice warm tropical place where I can finally get some peace and quiet.

Now if there's anyone who thinks that I'm wrong then I'd like to hear your theories. I certainly don't see anything good happening.
 
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I think the Chinese economy will continue to grow. The focus of the economy will be more on civilian aerospace, semiconductors, and other high tech products. China will become a major aircraft exporter, at most in two decades time. Probably in one decade.
The US already stopped being the hegemonic power as demonstrated by the conflict in Ukraine. They can no longer enforce their will on other major powers like they used to. The US elites also suffer from deep institutional rot. Much like the Russian elites in the 1980s. Having an octogenarian with dementia as your head of state is just not normal any way you want to present it. The Soviets also had similar issues when they had people like Breznev in his later age and later Andropov as leaders.
 
TK3600

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tamsen_ikard said:

In 20 years will the US remain the most powerful state and still be as hegemonic as it is now?​

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/16u3iry
Interesting discussion in this thread. Literally no one mentions China as having any meaningful power in the next 20 years. Its as if China is completely defeated. They think this so called slowdown is it for China. They are more worried about India becoming a bigger power now. But overwhelmingly people think US will growing richer and more powerful and will continue to dominate the world. I know r/Geopolitics is no longer a place of intelligent people anymore. Its a cesspull of Pro-western lowest denominator intelligence.

I would like to see what people in this forum think about this. Where do you US and its power will be compared to China and other in 20 years?
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I do think India will be a problem for US. Once China secure as the indisputable #1, US must secure the #2 position vs India. After a finanicial crisis US will be greatly weakened and India will have a chance.
 
LawLeadsToPeace

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tamsen_ikard said:

In 20 years will the US remain the most powerful state and still be as hegemonic as it is now?​

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/16u3iry
Interesting discussion in this thread. Literally no one mentions China as having any meaningful power in the next 20 years. Its as if China is completely defeated. They think this so called slowdown is it for China. They are more worried about India becoming a bigger power now. But overwhelmingly people think US will growing richer and more powerful and will continue to dominate the world. I know r/Geopolitics is no longer a place of intelligent people anymore. Its a cesspull of Pro-western lowest denominator intelligence.

I would like to see what people in this forum think about this. Where do you US and its power will be compared to China and other in 20 years?
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Crudely speaking, any attempts to predict something 20 years from today is mental m**turbation at best. Many things could happen during that period that we just can't foresee. For example, no one in 1980 would have thought that 9/11 would have occurred or that the Chinese would rise to a major economic power status within 20 years. It is best to avoid such discussions.
 
Bellum_Romanum

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tamsen_ikard said:

In 20 years will the US remain the most powerful state and still be as hegemonic as it is now?​

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/16u3iry
Interesting discussion in this thread. Literally no one mentions China as having any meaningful power in the next 20 years. Its as if China is completely defeated. They think this so called slowdown is it for China. They are more worried about India becoming a bigger power now. But overwhelmingly people think US will growing richer and more powerful and will continue to dominate the world. I know r/Geopolitics is no longer a place of intelligent people anymore. Its a cesspull of Pro-western lowest denominator intelligence.

I would like to see what people in this forum think about this. Where do you US and its power will be compared to China and other in 20 years?
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Those people's comments and insights all parrots Peter Zeihan's talking points on the U.S. built-in-superiority as well as China's supposed INHERENT WEAKNESSES in natural resources and human population which simply repeats the b.s. CHINA POPULATION COLLAPSE.

Having said that, I can definitely understand why most people in the west, and those from countries supportive of the west think. It's utterly inconceivable and even improbable that the U.S. primacy can be displaced by any other would be challenger even if that country is China. The education, cultural and social influences are all western i.e. American led thus embedding a very pro-American/west worldview when looking through the world at every vantage point.

Such hubris is mostly based on the supposed unchallengeble American military superiority and prowess that's been firmly etched from WWII and at its apex technological superiority against Saddams hapless military in the first IRAQ WAR and the 2003 illegal invasion of Iraq.

Most of those commenter don't want to consider or entertain the notion and possibility of American defeat in the war of Taiwan with China. The what if worst case scenario does not entertain their cerebral cortex because to entertain such possibility is in the realm of improbability showing their sense of superiority over anything the PLA can dish or employ. But, when and if they lose in that war? Then what do you think is going to be the consequence to the primacy of unquestioned American military superiority not just in the Asia-Pacific region but beyond? What would a possible loss do to the American exceptionalism that's been ingrained since birth? The subsequent economic impact an American loss would entail?
 
AssassinsMace

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Reddit isn't where you find intellectual people. It's populated by wishful thinkers. It's like when the J-20 first emerged, you had a bunch of people claiming China forgot to make it where the landing gear could retract because during it's first flight you never saw them retract. What was the point? It's going to be proven wrong. That's because they were petty. Years later like in the now defunct Key Aviation forum where you saw that a lot, I would call out members that made that claim while they were trying to display their superior deductive reasoning on something else and their answer was an emphatic, "I never said that!" which meant that they actually believed it at the time and denying it now because they were wrong. Or look at how now the Western media is making a big deal over Chinese officials not showing up claiming a coup is underway. And like in the past claiming the same thing, it was proven wrong. It's a bunch of wishful thinking. Not fact.

If the US is forever, then why are they angry at China for? If China is so inept and incapable, then what are they afraid of? It's because for a people who believe in their eternity, they're insecure. It's a bunch of fake bravado. Look at how they question if China could challenge the US. They're using their own propaganda the US and the West is putting out to discourage anyone from counting on China.

Remember... usually when there's a recession, it takes a few years to recover. The 2008 Western Financial Crisis took longer and some say the West still hasn't fully recovered. Why? Because people had other places where they could keep there money safe like China. Normally people use to just move their money in different parts of the US and the West which in itself would serve to help in recovery. Not in 2008. That's why it took longer. Fast forward to today and how in horrible shape Western economies are in because of their geopolitical choices, all they're doing is trying to discourage anyone from putting their money in China by claiming China is in chaos and is collapsing. There's no future in China. It's not just Western money that they want to discourage from investing to China. It's the world's money hence why all the stories about China no longer being the engine of the world and China's no longer lending to the global south. They were trying to discourage countries from joining BRICS. How can that be when they're saying China is collapsing? What it says to the West is countries around the world have no confidence in the West. The writing was on the wall well beforehand. And look at how 40 countries from around the world expressed interest in joining BRICS despite Western attempts to discourage it.

Why are international supply chains an important issue to the West now when it was never ever mentioned before? It's because now there are competitors for those resources. It was never an important issue because Western governments told their citizens they had everything and was self-sufficient. It was really about how they controlled the world economy and there were no real competitors. That's why today you see Western civilians scoff and make fun of developing countries like when they wanted to join BRICS because they were seen as worthless. But it's those very countries that have the strategic resources the West needs... The average Western citizen is not on the same page as their governments. Because they're democracies, they have to lie to their citizens on how well they're doing so their citizens think everything is great so they vote to keep them in office. Hence why you have also propaganda on how horrible China is doing in comparison to the West.

Contrary to the Western fantasy that everyone will naturally choose them over China, the world makes more money with China around because that's what competition for their resources does. With the West in control of the world, the world doesn't make a lot of money because the West wants those resources for cheap or for free and that can only happen if there's no competition. So who's more naturally preferred hence why the West is alarmed over the former colonies turning on them.

The West not getting those strategic resources their economies need means they can't make money selling their products meaning no money going into research to advance technology meaning less money to pay their own people... It's a snowball effect and they think they're forever all because they're told they have everything and they don't need anyone... China can do everything cheaper than the West. What China can't produce that the West can will be so expensive, the majority can't afford it so the West doesn't make money.
 
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LawLeadsToPeace said:
Crudely speaking, any attempts to predict something 20 years from today is mental m**turbation at best. Many things could happen during that period that we just can't foresee. For example, no one in 1980 would have thought that 9/11 would have occurred or that the Chinese would rise to a major economic power status within 20 years. It is best to avoid such discussions.
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Just because the west didn't predict China's rise, doesn't mean no one did. The Chinese were very confident in their future.


Predicting the future might seem like futile, but it's actually an very important. Without making predictions, how can you know whether your assessment is right in the future? How can you get feedback to adjust your internal assessment mechanism? Saying in retrospect it was obvious China was going to rise is intellectual dishonestly.
 
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