Power Armor?

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
They have tried to make a Robot to carry the combat load, they have tried to make Robots that could fight. But at the End of the Day they realized the Soldier is still there and still needs to fight and still needs to carry a load. Hence the powered Exoskeleton.
 

Equation

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Revision Prowler Gen 2
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Nice, but can it be effective in the deep jungle where anything can snag it, not to mention the humidity and heat. If the maintenance and battery power are easy to change out, than it could work, if not, it's just added weight for the infantry. Although the armor, artillery, and combat engineer guys will love it.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Well I think the snug fit should reduce most snagging. Revision is the lead marketer partner for the Military but the Maker a Canadian Company named B-Temia there commercial/Medical version is Called Keeogo. Sadly I can't find any data on how it's powered but I am guessing it's got a small power pack.
Revision is offering Prowler as part of Talos and they have said that in addition to being a exoskeleton it doubles to some degree as armor. this system is being evaluated by US Socom and the Canadian military.
 

siegecrossbow

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Not exactly powered armor but:

NORINCO's Big Dog

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no_name

Colonel
From memory currently that thing weighs 130kg and can carry 50kg. It can move at 6km/h, go up a max incline of 30 degrees and operate for 2 hours.

I think multiple universities in China are working on the same idea but this one seems to be the furthest along.
 

Insignius

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Pretty nice as an engineering and research project. Though I still doubt the operational usefulness of such a robot, not only due to its noise and low endurance.

The PLA should rather invest more into the research of HULC-styled powered leg exoskeletons to finally allow their troops to carry heavy load and armor. This would be much more effective and operationally useful.

But its not like we are seeing PLA soldiers being heavily loaded anyway.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Pretty nice as an engineering and research project. Though I still doubt the operational usefulness of such a robot, not only due to its noise and low endurance.

The PLA should rather invest more into the research of HULC-styled powered leg exoskeletons to finally allow their troops to carry heavy load and armor. This would be much more effective and operationally useful.

But its not like we are seeing PLA soldiers being heavily loaded anyway.
They have. OR at least we have seen a early prototype
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The Edge of Big Dog and systems like it is still valid though. First lets deal with a fact When bullets fly packs drop. Soldiers Drop there packs and go to fighting loads. Why? Packs are heavy and cumbersome they block visibility and weight the soldier down. even with the added power of a exoskeleton the warfighter is going to drop his pack he will do this so he can use the extra power on himself to move faster with body armor and weapons. This is where big dog steps in. It takes the pack. Now your fighter is fighting loaded he can do as he needs and only has to get to his load as needed. the Dog can hang back till needed. as to endurance and noise it is getting better. it's still years away from service even for the US.
 

Insignius

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They have. OR at least we have seen a early prototype
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The Edge of Big Dog and systems like it is still valid though. First lets deal with a fact When bullets fly packs drop. Soldiers Drop there packs and go to fighting loads. Why? Packs are heavy and cumbersome they block visibility and weight the soldier down. even with the added power of a exoskeleton the warfighter is going to drop his pack he will do this so he can use the extra power on himself to move faster with body armor and weapons. This is where big dog steps in. It takes the pack. Now your fighter is fighting loaded he can do as he needs and only has to get to his load as needed. the Dog can hang back till needed. as to endurance and noise it is getting better. it's still years away from service even for the US.

Good to see that the PLA is working on it.

In my childish mind, I'd like to imagine the future PLA heavy infantry troops being completely clad in thick power-armor and using QLU-11 or similiar AGLs with computerized airburst-fuse w/ underslug 7.62 GPMGs as standard weapons. On their backs, they carry vertical launched HJ-12 Sino-Javelin ATGMs, and a retractable sensor mast with EOS and MMW radar for 360° reconaissance on the fly.

And behind them, Sino-Big Dogs trotting along with their march-packs. :D
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Good to see that the PLA is working on it.

In my childish mind, I'd like to imagine the future PLA heavy infantry troops being completely clad in thick power-armor and using QLU-11 or similiar AGLs with computerized airburst-fuse w/ underslug 7.62 GPMGs as standard weapons. On their backs, they carry vertical launched HJ-12 Sino-Javelin ATGMs, and a retractable sensor mast with EOS and MMW radar for 360° reconaissance on the fly.

And behind them, Sino-Big Dogs trotting along with their march-packs. :D
To heavy, to specialized, to Expensive, to cumbersome. to complicated.
To heavy
The Function of Infantry is Fire and maneuver. you have your troops packing over a hundred pounds of weapons per man. Even if he has a full body exoskeleton that weight is going to encumber him. How? Terrain. assume a 150 pounds soaking wet. add 110 pounds of weapons, another 100 pounds for ammo, 140 pounds for armor sensors and powered exoskeleton. 400 pounds. okay now Maneuver, Sand dunes. up the fifth story of a slum, ford a river, Cross a Ice Sheet Climb a rock wall,
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. any soft Terrain is going to fight you and the weight is going to be a issue. even with the added strength your going to be fighting your own weight.
to Specialized
The GPMG is normally belt fed and intended for suppressive fire. the optimum feed system for a system of that class is a Belt feed as it allows a theoretically unlimited ammo capacity. Belt feeds are heavy and slow to load, here in the US the US Army and Marine corps are both looking to large capacity ammo carriers because of the issues of the feed and reloads. now your talking about not one slow reloader but three. Three that have to be feed reliably. next The Function of infantry and that of a pure GPMG. Infantry tend to shoot semi auto over full auto. so really the fire power is superfluous. Basicly you have your soldier playing rambo on steroids.
To Expensive
so you have your soldiers loaded up with a tone of weapons, Atone or armor, a tone of sophisticated kit on mass with secondary systems. the price is going to be very high. the more sensors and systems the more $$$.
To Cumbersome
Okay so to heavy but how to cumbersome? Get through a Door. mast you have a rocket launcher on your back you have a GPMG A grenade launcher. Infantry have to move through more then open spaces Urban, Suburban, woodland he has to get through doors and move across confined spaces. the first issue is just getting inside the second is how do you move and where do you put your gear? I mean the more weapons the more ammo the more magazines the fewer places for the same.
To complicated
Incombat simplicity is critical for battle the more specialized the jobs tend to go to specialists.

IF the PLA adopt it widely I see it like this. Enhanced conventional body armor issued across the infantry using weapons descended form todays standard issue perhaps with the addition of sights and features borrowed form SOPMOD kits. DM riflemen will add sensors and enhanced optics, machine Gunners will be adding pack mounted ammo carriers. Grenadiers and other heavy weapons will add more specialized weapons to support. Squad leaders and commanders will likely have the most specialized kit including UAV's and specialized sensors supporting the squad would be the sino dogs bring up gear and kit as needed these units must be capible of also being carried in IFVs,APCs, Light Vehicles, Helicopters and be air droppable. Additional support could come in the form of full sized unmanned vehicles with turrets and weapons these platforms could also be used to transport and erect Mortars and infantry support weapons. Part of what must be considered is that Infantry may not always have there powered systems available so the weapons and systems should be capable of being used on there own.
 
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