Potential backfire from Google Ban

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Tyler

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plawolf said:
The best way for Huawei to counter Trump is to make its OS and App Store open sourced. Not fake open sourced like Android, but true open source. There are many ways to do this, so I don’t see the need in hashing out those scenarios.

This move would massively help to undermine any more fake news about spying, while also being incredibly attractive to content creators.

You need to remember that the US ban on Huawei will hit many app makers just as hard, if not more so, than hardware makers everyone has been focusing on.

With Android apps, there is minimal to zero additional work or cost for add designers to make it available on Huawei’s App Store in addition to Google’s.

If America wants to play hardball and somehow force people to choose, well, as with 5G, the EU becomes the kingmaker, and I see the EU siding with China if Huawei can offer credible assurances that its OS and App Store cannot be abused as America is currently doing with Google.
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Is there any way that you can convey your ideas to the Chinese decision making group?
 
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plawolf said:
The best way for Huawei to counter Trump is to make its OS and App Store open sourced. Not fake open sourced like Android, but true open source. There are many ways to do this, so I don’t see the need in hashing out those scenarios.
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You can't make an App Store open sourced. Well you can, but it won't be of much value, and I doubt it's what you really have in mind.

Android is already open sourced, the problem is that Google pretty much controls it via the OHA.

What Huawei seems to be doing with Ark is to create an OS that can virtually run Android apps. This means that Huawei is still looking to Android for its ecosystem. Making Ark open sourced does not seem to serve any purpose.

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With Android apps, there is minimal to zero additional work or cost for add designers to make it available on Huawei’s App Store in addition to Google’s.
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Oh but there is. Different OS means different drivers, different I/O, different memory management, and different update schedules. Depending on the specific app, this additional cost can be anywhere from minimal to prohibitive.

Huawei already runs a successful Android fork with its Chinese handsets, I simply don't see them changing the game at this point. Their Ark OS seems more like a workaround at this point than a real Google competitor. Remember that Huawei is mainly a hardware company. It is unlikely to have the resources to compete with a dedicated software company like Google on its own turf.

I suspect Huawei’s game plan is to offer a viable Android competitor to Google. If successful, it will bolster other Android forks, such as Amazon and Samsung, who wants a piece of the pie, and we will begin to see a fracturing of both Android and the App market.
 
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solarz said:
You can't make an App Store open sourced. Well you can, but it won't be of much value, and I doubt it's what you really have in mind.

Android is already open sourced, the problem is that Google pretty much controls it via the OHA.

What Huawei seems to be doing with Ark is to create an OS that can virtually run Android apps. This means that Huawei is still looking to Android for its ecosystem. Making Ark open sourced does not seem to serve any purpose.



Oh but there is. Different OS means different drivers, different I/O, different memory management, and different update schedules. Depending on the specific app, this additional cost can be anywhere from minimal to prohibitive.

Huawei already runs a successful Android fork with its Chinese handsets, I simply don't see them changing the game at this point. Their Ark OS seems more like a workaround at this point than a real Google competitor. Remember that Huawei is mainly a hardware company. It is unlikely to have the resources to compete with a dedicated software company like Google on its own turf.

I suspect Huawei’s game plan is to offer a viable Android competitor to Google. If successful, it will bolster other Android forks, such as Amazon and Samsung, who wants a piece of the pie, and we will begin to see a fracturing of both Android and the App market.
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fracturing? lets hope the market shatters
 
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AndrewS said:
He's writes a book in 2001 called "The Coming Collapse of China" with a date of 2006 for this to happen.
When this doesn't happen, he gives out 2011. His prediction then gets updated again to 2012, then 2016 and then 2017.

And this is the guy on Fox News which is America's most popular news programme (and which Trump loves).

It means a huge number of Americans are subjected to fake news reports about China from a fake expert.
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Its amazing that someone can write so much stuff, and with predictions thrown in. Get it spectacularly wrong, then get invited to offer opinons in TV show as an "expert"!

I guess, it doesn't matter how wrong an "expert" can/have been, as long as the message is anti-China, it will attract a willing audience in the form of MAGA suppoters
 
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plawolf said:
The best way for Huawei to counter Trump is to make its OS and App Store open sourced. Not fake open sourced like Android, but true open source. There are many ways to do this, so I don’t see the need in hashing out those scenarios.

This move would massively help to undermine any more fake news about spying, while also being incredibly attractive to content creators.

You need to remember that the US ban on Huawei will hit many app makers just as hard, if not more so, than hardware makers everyone has been focusing on.

With Android apps, there is minimal to zero additional work or cost for add designers to make it available on Huawei’s App Store in addition to Google’s.

If America wants to play hardball and somehow force people to choose, well, as with 5G, the EU becomes the kingmaker, and I see the EU siding with China if Huawei can offer credible assurances that its OS and App Store cannot be abused as America is currently doing with Google.
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All Linux distro ( like the android ) open sourced.

Generally, the issue here is not the software/ hardware, but the RSA / elliptic curve keys.

The handsets certified by the google receive a key that can be used to receive a full appstore , and that can be used to download the apps later on in the chain.

The google control the whole ecosystem using the cryptographic keys.

So ,if there is an app that a person wants to sell on google, or want to make add revenue from it then he needs to receive a key for his app ( and it needs to be uploaded to the app store ) .

This key can be revoked by the google.


Now, if a company wants to introduce a new appstore ,then it will needs to make a new ecosystem, from the certification of handsets to the certification of developers, advertisers and so on.
 
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The problem is more than the keys.
A lot of applications which you regularly would assume should come as standard with a smartphone are basically part of the Google apps.
Last time I remember about it, I think even the calculator and note taking apps were part of these.
There are alternative applications. But it would be nice if someone had a set of applications to replace the things missing in AOSP.
 
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solarz said:
Oh but there is. Different OS means different drivers, different I/O, different memory management, and different update schedules. Depending on the specific app, this additional cost can be anywhere from minimal to prohibitive.
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Shouldn't be a problem, as Android apps are already run via emulation on a Java VM. You just need to ensure your OS supports the same APIs / interfaces, and ensure your VM implements the same specification.
 
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My Huawei tablets are still updating, glad to say. Too bad all that has happened has put cold water over the potential Huawei M6 tablet, which would have been a great gaming and multimedia tablet like the M5.

The Hongmeng devices sounds interesting for experimentation and testing. If there is an English version I may pick one out and write about my experiences here.
 
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