Any chance for the two 051C to receive some sort of MLU. They’re useless now!
PLAN Type 051B/C Class Destroyers
- Thread starter supertran
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Don't see why not, the Sovremennys are about the same age and they recently went through MLU. 20 years is reasonable for mid-life.
Getting rid of the Rif system and replacing it with the standard HHQ-16 kit is likely in the works if I were to wager on it. Which would turn it substantially into a refitted 051B.
lcloo
Captain
From the assignment of type 051C to North Sea Fleet, we may construe their primary roles are air defense (against air attacks on Beijing from seaward side), in fact when thery were introduced in 2006 and 2007, they had one of the best sea based SAM at that time.
Unconfirmed report stated that China has developed HQ-18 to replace S-300FM air defense missiles. Not much is known of HQ-18 but it should be more advance than S-300FM.
The S-300FM Fort-M (: С-300ФМ, DoD designation SA-N-20) is another naval version of the system, installed only on the Kirov-class cruiser , and introducing the new 48N6 missile. It was introduced in 1990 and has a missile speed of approximately Mach 6 for a maximum target engagement speed of up to Mach 8.5, a warhead size of 150 kg (330 lb), an engagement range of 5–150 km (3.1–93 mi), and an altitude envelope of 10–27 km (6.2–16.8 mi). The new missiles also introduced a guidance method and the ability to intercept short-range ballistic missiles. This system makes use of the TOMB STONE MOD rather than TOP DOME radar. The export version is called the Rif-M. Two Rif-M systems were purchased by China in 2002 and installed on the air-defence guided-missile destroyers.
The fact that we hardly see their deployment outside North Sea Fleet area of operation does not mean that their are obsolete and useless. S-300FM are dated but if they are upgraded or replaced by rumoured HQ-18, then they are still very relevant.
Beijing and North East provinces of China is a strategic area that include manufacturing and training bases of China's military and also an important manufacturing region of China. Construction of SSBN, SSN, aircraft carrier, PLAN Aviation training base etc are located in this region.
Unconfirmed report stated that China has developed HQ-18 to replace S-300FM air defense missiles. Not much is known of HQ-18 but it should be more advance than S-300FM.
The S-300FM Fort-M (: С-300ФМ, DoD designation SA-N-20) is another naval version of the system, installed only on the Kirov-class cruiser , and introducing the new 48N6 missile. It was introduced in 1990 and has a missile speed of approximately Mach 6 for a maximum target engagement speed of up to Mach 8.5, a warhead size of 150 kg (330 lb), an engagement range of 5–150 km (3.1–93 mi), and an altitude envelope of 10–27 km (6.2–16.8 mi). The new missiles also introduced a guidance method and the ability to intercept short-range ballistic missiles. This system makes use of the TOMB STONE MOD rather than TOP DOME radar. The export version is called the Rif-M. Two Rif-M systems were purchased by China in 2002 and installed on the air-defence guided-missile destroyers.
The fact that we hardly see their deployment outside North Sea Fleet area of operation does not mean that their are obsolete and useless. S-300FM are dated but if they are upgraded or replaced by rumoured HQ-18, then they are still very relevant.
Beijing and North East provinces of China is a strategic area that include manufacturing and training bases of China's military and also an important manufacturing region of China. Construction of SSBN, SSN, aircraft carrier, PLAN Aviation training base etc are located in this region.
lcloo
Captain
The original HQ-16 is a mid-range SAM of 40km range, and later improved to 70km. The lastest is said to have 160km range.
S-300 system is a long range area defense missile system that fires missiles of different sizes with range from 40km to 400km (40N6 missile), and 2,500km (detection range?) for Antey-2500 missile system (S-300VM) with 200km engagement range for aircraft..
HHQ-16 is a missile itself while S-300 is a system that is capable of launching various types of air defense missiles.
The latest S-300 missile system, specifically the S-300V series, includes several types of missiles designed for different purposes. Here are the main types:
S-300 system is a long range area defense missile system that fires missiles of different sizes with range from 40km to 400km (40N6 missile), and 2,500km (detection range?) for Antey-2500 missile system (S-300VM) with 200km engagement range for aircraft..
HHQ-16 is a missile itself while S-300 is a system that is capable of launching various types of air defense missiles.
The latest S-300 missile system, specifically the S-300V series, includes several types of missiles designed for different purposes. Here are the main types:
- 9M83 Gladiator: Primarily used for targeting aircraft, with a range of up to 75 km and a maximum altitude of 25 km.
- 9M82 Giant: Designed for countering tactical ballistic and cruise missiles, with a range of up to 100 km and an altitude ceiling between 30 and 40 km.
- Antey-2500 (S-300VM): An advanced variant capable of engaging ballistic missiles with a range of 2,500 km and aircraft targets up to 200 km away. It can engage up to 24 targets simultaneously.
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But it’ll be more complicated than the MLU on the 051B, given that you’ll have to build a hangar. I don’t know whether it’s worth it…
I doubt it. Why do you make a new type just for two relatively old destroyers?
lcloo
Captain
I don't get what you wrote, are you referring to HQ-18 as the "new type" that you mentioned? Or are you referring to S-300VM?