PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

Dizasta1

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It used to be a French market, now it is a Chinese one (because of the Rafale deal ?)

Yes, that was the case. When this took place, Pakistan was in the midst of looking for deal with France whereby they (Pakistan) would buy French radars, missiles, electronic warfare suite and engines for the JF-17 Thunder. However, at the time, France was vying to clinch the mmrca-deal of 126 Rafales for india. So, in order not to displease india, buy selling Pakistan advance radars, engines and avionics for JF-17 Thunders. France found it's nerve to snub and annoy Pakistan, by refusing to sell any weapons to them.

This is despite the long history of Pakistan and French military deals. Starting with the French Mirages that Pakistan began buying in the 1970s. Then the French Allouette helicopters, the Crotale SAMs, Mistral MANPADS, Agosta-70 and then Agosta-90B submarines. Pakistan Air Force also worked with the French to upgrade it's Mirages with the ROSE-Upgrade (Retrofit of Strike Element).

However, it seems that the Rafale deal was more important to the French, than it's other prospective military contracts with Pakistan.

Fortunately for Pakistan, it has an ally which is second to none ........ China!
 
It didn't take long before the naysayers and haters makes it sound like it's all bad news.

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It is fair for the Indians to be concerned about China arms deals with Pakistan especially when it involves developing Pakistan's arms self-sufficiency. Spinning how Chinese involvement in building civilian ports becomes a "string of pearls" military basing is much more of a China-threat conspiracy theory.

These are interesting times for India-China relations as overall Chinese power reaches the next level and India is driven to improve by natural self-growth, healthy competitive spirit, and not so healthy instigating by others to be suspicious of or hostile to China.
 

Dizasta1

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It didn't take long before the naysayers and haters makes it sound like it's all bad news.

Well those "naysayers" are only complaining because it is exactly what they themselves have been doing all along!

india has shown it's intent and will of doing the same thing that Russia, America, Britain & France have done. By investing $$ millions in rebuilding the Ayni air base in Tajikistan. With the intentions of deploying a few squadrons of MiG-29 Fulcrums in Central Asia. And although their efforts have so far been scampered by the Russian Federation. The move clearly shows india's intent of establishing military bases on foreign soil.

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This thread is not about India's military base or other ambitions. It is aboutPLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarines.

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
PAKISTAN

WHY DO THEY MATTER?

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer Posted April 7, 2015


The S-20 SSK was first offered at the IDEX 2013 arms show in the UAE; it is a quiet 2,600 SSK capable of firing cruise missiles and torpedoes, in addition to inserting special forces and mines. Pakistan's Chinese subs are likely to be based off the S-20 design.

On March 31st, Pakistan announced plans to buy eight new Chinese-made submarines. The submarines are likely to be based of the Type 39B Yuan SSK, of which the export version is designated the S-20. The S-20 displaces about 2,300 tons, but air independent propulsion (AIP) is not standard to the submarine. AIP a closed off propulsion system, like a gas compression Stirling engine or fuel cells, that doesn't require a separate oxygen supply It is a must have for modern SSKs, allowing them to stay underwater for up to four weeks without using noisy snorkels to recharge batteries (often SSK batteries have enough charge to last several days at most). Pakistan's S-20s are likely to have AIP since its Agosta 90B submarines already have the technology; the PLAN's 12 Yuan SSKs all have sophisticated AIP systems.

Type 39C SSK


The Type 039C Yuan SSK is the latest Chinese conventional submarine, launched in 2014. It features a redesigned conning tower, as well as better sonar. The Yuan class's AIP system makes it China's most capable conventional submarines.

The significance of the plan is that it Pakistan badly needs to modernize and expand its submarine fleet, especially given rival India's acquisition of domestic, French and Russian conventional and nuclear submarines. Overall, Pakistan's 2015 naval plan calls for twelve submarines. The Pakistani Navy currently operates five French Agosta submarines, with two of its Agosta 70s 40 years old and in need of replacement soon.

Babur Cruise Missile


The Babur LACM has a range of 750-1000km, and is equipped for both conventional and nuclear attack. It is likely that it will form the basis of a submarine launched LACM, potentially giving Pakistan an underwater second strike nuclear capability.

The other important features of the S-20 purchase stems from its weaponry and its effect on regional balances of power. The S-20 has a standard load of six torpedo tubes, able to fire up to 18 torpedoes and missile canisters, which include the 533mm Yu-6 heavy torpedo, naval mines and 300km range YJ-82 anti-ship missile. Such capabilities could prove quite important in any conventional war scenario in the region. In addition, Pakistan is working to modify its nuclear capable Babur land attack cruise missile for launch from its current Agosta 90B submarines, so the new S-20s would almost certainly also be designed to carry nuclear armed Babur missiles. In addition to being able to launch nuclear strikes from previously inaccessible areas like the Bay of Bengal, an underwater nuclear deterrent would finally give Islamabad a credible second strike capability.

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