PLAN Sovremenny DDG 136, 137, 138 & 139 Thread
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Possibly not. It looks like at least for 136/137 that there are only going to be 32 total VL cells (16 front and 16 back) which is the same exact number as on the 054A, which itself only has 4 FCRs. 32 VL cells may actually only mean 24-28 HHQ-16s (and 4-8 Yu-8s), so there is even less reason to have 6 FCRs.
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The formidable AK 130 I believe China bought sovremennyifor the gun to support Taiwan landing
It hs high rate fire and can serve as CIWS
Attaining rates of fire of upwards of sixty rounds per minute of 130-millimeter shells.
Russia's AK-130 Naval 'Cannon' Could Kill a Navy Destroyer or a 'Swarm'
February 3, 2018
The AK-130 naval gun is one of the most formidable artillery pieces afloat today. However, it had a long and troubled development period, mostly due to the stagnation of Soviet shipboard artillery research and its massive weight. However, once fielded it proved itself to be an extremely rapid weapon, attaining rates of fire of upwards of sixty rounds per minute of 130-millimeter shells. But why did Soviet naval doctrine call for such a monster of a gun? Is it still relevant today?
The Soviet desire for an automatic large-caliber cannon began in World War II. Soviet gunners offered by 100–130-millimeter cannons of the era limited the effectiveness of such guns in the antiaircraft role. As a result, after the war, in 1952–55, various prototypes of automatic cannons that used the recoil energy to automatically cycle the next cartridge were designed. They were fed by multiple cylindrical ammo drums. Further guns of this type were meant to be developed and fielded in the shipbuilding program from 1956 to 1965; however, Nikita Khrushchev forbade the work on all shipborne cannons of a caliber greater than seventy-six millimeters in an order in 1957. Large-caliber cannons on Soviet ships remained slow and inefficient for almost another decade, lagging behind British, American, Swedish and Italian designs. Finally, in 1967 the order was given to begin work once more on automatic large-caliber cannons.
In 1969, the first design was ready under the factory index ZIF-92, a single-barreled 130-millimeter design. This gun contained many features that would later make it into the AK-130. The barrel was cooled by a thermal jacket that circulated seawater around it. It used the recoil energy to cycle new rounds, and had a sliding-wedge vertical locking block. Despite its innovative qualities, this design was too heavy to be installed on the Project 1135 line of ships, and thus had to be shelved.
The design was finally adopted as a dual gun mount, with the production name AK-130 in 1985, for the . Dual guns were used, as the single gun was unable to reach the targeted rate of fire of sixty rounds per minute. In this implementation, the AK-130 can fire eighty rounds per minute, at a. This rate can be sustained from up to 180 ready rounds loaded in the turret magazine. Each round weighs seventy-three pounds, and can be shot out to a range of twenty-three kilometers ballistically. Realistically, it can shoot out to fifteen kilometers in the antiair role and eight kilometers in the antimissile role. The dual gun mount weighs around a hundred tons, with the ammo magazine checking in at forty tons; this makes the AK-130 as a complete system extremely heavy. For comparison, the 127-millimeter Mark 45 Mod 2 gun on American destroyers weighs only fifty-four tons for the complete system; however, it is a single gun mount with only twenty rounds loaded in the turret magazine. The AK-130 operated with radar direction and has a ballistic computer integrated with a laser rangefinder. Some shells it fires are equipped with remote and radar fuses, allowing them to effectively engage aircraft.
Those same features would make the AK-130 one of the best naval guns with which to defend a ship from a drone swarm. Its rapid rate of fire and massive shell size would provide unparalleled lethality, and the extremely large magazine would ensure its ability to stay in the fight. It also means it excels at roles such as ground support, and if allowed to get into range, it would prove devastating to any ship that it could get a firing solution on. While big guns are some of the oldest naval technologies, with such advanced systems like the AK-130, they continue to prove their usefulness in the modern era.
Charlie Gao studied political and computer science at Grinnell College and is a frequent commentator on defense and national-security issues.
It hs high rate fire and can serve as CIWS
Attaining rates of fire of upwards of sixty rounds per minute of 130-millimeter shells.
Russia's AK-130 Naval 'Cannon' Could Kill a Navy Destroyer or a 'Swarm'
February 3, 2018
The AK-130 naval gun is one of the most formidable artillery pieces afloat today. However, it had a long and troubled development period, mostly due to the stagnation of Soviet shipboard artillery research and its massive weight. However, once fielded it proved itself to be an extremely rapid weapon, attaining rates of fire of upwards of sixty rounds per minute of 130-millimeter shells. But why did Soviet naval doctrine call for such a monster of a gun? Is it still relevant today?
The Soviet desire for an automatic large-caliber cannon began in World War II. Soviet gunners offered by 100–130-millimeter cannons of the era limited the effectiveness of such guns in the antiaircraft role. As a result, after the war, in 1952–55, various prototypes of automatic cannons that used the recoil energy to automatically cycle the next cartridge were designed. They were fed by multiple cylindrical ammo drums. Further guns of this type were meant to be developed and fielded in the shipbuilding program from 1956 to 1965; however, Nikita Khrushchev forbade the work on all shipborne cannons of a caliber greater than seventy-six millimeters in an order in 1957. Large-caliber cannons on Soviet ships remained slow and inefficient for almost another decade, lagging behind British, American, Swedish and Italian designs. Finally, in 1967 the order was given to begin work once more on automatic large-caliber cannons.
In 1969, the first design was ready under the factory index ZIF-92, a single-barreled 130-millimeter design. This gun contained many features that would later make it into the AK-130. The barrel was cooled by a thermal jacket that circulated seawater around it. It used the recoil energy to cycle new rounds, and had a sliding-wedge vertical locking block. Despite its innovative qualities, this design was too heavy to be installed on the Project 1135 line of ships, and thus had to be shelved.
The design was finally adopted as a dual gun mount, with the production name AK-130 in 1985, for the . Dual guns were used, as the single gun was unable to reach the targeted rate of fire of sixty rounds per minute. In this implementation, the AK-130 can fire eighty rounds per minute, at a. This rate can be sustained from up to 180 ready rounds loaded in the turret magazine. Each round weighs seventy-three pounds, and can be shot out to a range of twenty-three kilometers ballistically. Realistically, it can shoot out to fifteen kilometers in the antiair role and eight kilometers in the antimissile role. The dual gun mount weighs around a hundred tons, with the ammo magazine checking in at forty tons; this makes the AK-130 as a complete system extremely heavy. For comparison, the 127-millimeter Mark 45 Mod 2 gun on American destroyers weighs only fifty-four tons for the complete system; however, it is a single gun mount with only twenty rounds loaded in the turret magazine. The AK-130 operated with radar direction and has a ballistic computer integrated with a laser rangefinder. Some shells it fires are equipped with remote and radar fuses, allowing them to effectively engage aircraft.
Those same features would make the AK-130 one of the best naval guns with which to defend a ship from a drone swarm. Its rapid rate of fire and massive shell size would provide unparalleled lethality, and the extremely large magazine would ensure its ability to stay in the fight. It also means it excels at roles such as ground support, and if allowed to get into range, it would prove devastating to any ship that it could get a firing solution on. While big guns are some of the oldest naval technologies, with such advanced systems like the AK-130, they continue to prove their usefulness in the modern era.
Charlie Gao studied political and computer science at Grinnell College and is a frequent commentator on defense and national-security issues.
The formidable AK 130 I believe China bought sovremennyifor the gun to support Taiwan landing
It hs high rate fire and can serve as CIWS
Attaining rates of fire of upwards of sixty rounds per minute of 130-millimeter shells.
Russia's AK-130 Naval 'Cannon' Could Kill a Navy Destroyer or a 'Swarm'
February 3, 2018
The AK-130 naval gun is one of the most formidable artillery pieces afloat today. However, it had a long and troubled development period, mostly due to the stagnation of Soviet shipboard artillery research and its massive weight. However, once fielded it proved itself to be an extremely rapid weapon, attaining rates of fire of upwards of sixty rounds per minute of 130-millimeter shells. But why did Soviet naval doctrine call for such a monster of a gun? Is it still relevant today?
The Soviet desire for an automatic large-caliber cannon began in World War II. Soviet gunners offered by 100–130-millimeter cannons of the era limited the effectiveness of such guns in the antiaircraft role. As a result, after the war, in 1952–55, various prototypes of automatic cannons that used the recoil energy to automatically cycle the next cartridge were designed. They were fed by multiple cylindrical ammo drums. Further guns of this type were meant to be developed and fielded in the shipbuilding program from 1956 to 1965; however, Nikita Khrushchev forbade the work on all shipborne cannons of a caliber greater than seventy-six millimeters in an order in 1957. Large-caliber cannons on Soviet ships remained slow and inefficient for almost another decade, lagging behind British, American, Swedish and Italian designs. Finally, in 1967 the order was given to begin work once more on automatic large-caliber cannons.
In 1969, the first design was ready under the factory index ZIF-92, a single-barreled 130-millimeter design. This gun contained many features that would later make it into the AK-130. The barrel was cooled by a thermal jacket that circulated seawater around it. It used the recoil energy to cycle new rounds, and had a sliding-wedge vertical locking block. Despite its innovative qualities, this design was too heavy to be installed on the Project 1135 line of ships, and thus had to be shelved.
The design was finally adopted as a dual gun mount, with the production name AK-130 in 1985, for the . Dual guns were used, as the single gun was unable to reach the targeted rate of fire of sixty rounds per minute. In this implementation, the AK-130 can fire eighty rounds per minute, at a. This rate can be sustained from up to 180 ready rounds loaded in the turret magazine. Each round weighs seventy-three pounds, and can be shot out to a range of twenty-three kilometers ballistically. Realistically, it can shoot out to fifteen kilometers in the antiair role and eight kilometers in the antimissile role. The dual gun mount weighs around a hundred tons, with the ammo magazine checking in at forty tons; this makes the AK-130 as a complete system extremely heavy. For comparison, the 127-millimeter Mark 45 Mod 2 gun on American destroyers weighs only fifty-four tons for the complete system; however, it is a single gun mount with only twenty rounds loaded in the turret magazine. The AK-130 operated with radar direction and has a ballistic computer integrated with a laser rangefinder. Some shells it fires are equipped with remote and radar fuses, allowing them to effectively engage aircraft.
Those same features would make the AK-130 one of the best naval guns with which to defend a ship from a drone swarm. Its rapid rate of fire and massive shell size would provide unparalleled lethality, and the extremely large magazine would ensure its ability to stay in the fight. It also means it excels at roles such as ground support, and if allowed to get into range, it would prove devastating to any ship that it could get a firing solution on. While big guns are some of the oldest naval technologies, with such advanced systems like the AK-130, they continue to prove their usefulness in the modern era.
Charlie Gao studied political and computer science at Grinnell College and is a frequent commentator on defense and national-security issues.
Sounds like a good reason why they kept these guns even after the refit.
I wonder if the AK-630s were replaced by their Chinese versions, the H/PJ-13, like the ones used on the Type 022. But the gun turrets are covered with green tarp.
While the Sovs have six Orekhs, three on each side, it gives the appearance that there are four Orekhs per side, because a fourth radar that looks like an Orekh poser is actually an MR-123 Bagira, which is the gun fire control for the AK-630s, with one on each side. There is no Chinese version of this however, but I wonder if a Type 347G radar can be put on their place instead.
Would be interesting to see a new picture of DDG 136 with her finished refit.
While the Sovs have six Orekhs, three on each side, it gives the appearance that there are four Orekhs per side, because a fourth radar that looks like an Orekh poser is actually an MR-123 Bagira, which is the gun fire control for the AK-630s, with one on each side. There is no Chinese version of this however, but I wonder if a Type 347G radar can be put on their place instead.
Would be interesting to see a new picture of DDG 136 with her finished refit.
Each turret on 956 has 320 rds in quick-load and magazine. 1164 have 340 rds per turret, 1144 - 440, 11551 - 210.
