PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Are the man-made islands suitable locations for nuclear power plants?

I don't see why not The power plant is on a ships. American carrier use nuclear power plant. It is no different instead of using it for propulsion they use it to drive Genset
The power plant ship will be anchored on the shelter harbor And if it hurricane condition they will sail it into the sea
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Correct between early 2017 to mid year WE know the 3 or 4 large hangars are done by now. In this photo it is still underconstruction. Also underground storage nowhere to be seen in this photo
So at least half year late Not the most recent one But nice anyway

nice!
6 months is a very long time in Chinese construction speed, they could achieve an impressive things in 6 months
 

FireyCross

New Member
Registered Member
Getting a foothold on the islands is a farsighted move, and one that has been well executed - swiftly and cleanly, which has largely blunted opposing forces. China needs to keep up the momentum here, and also move quickly to convert the islands to due use with a civilian presence and especially international tourism, to deter any military moves against them, and strengthen the perception of them as Chinese islands. The Malaysians have done this to great effect with Layang-Layang island - in the mind of thousands of divers around the world the island is synonymous with Malaysia and their Malaysian dream holiday - and any foreign power wanting to take it would be faced with photos of their troops bombing and storm up the beaches of people's fondly remembered vacation hotspot, as they attack or take captive diving instructors, baristas and waiters. That is an extremely powerful thing in the media age, and rather than requiring permits and complex journeys to get to Sansha, international tourists should be openly and enthusiastically encouraged to go there, and workers on the island encouraged to stay, bring families and make it their home.

Bearing this reality in mind, China could use recognition of Malaysian claims of Laylang-Layang and Fillipino claims over Pag-asa (which has a civilian presence too) as a tool for recognition of it's claims over the Paracel group and the reefs it has developed.

In the longer term, I feel the full value of the current claims can only be fully realised if China can somehow gain control of the Pratas and Orchid islands. Without this, securing the sea, and ultimately breaking the first island chain, is just not viable.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
The Malaysians have done this to great effect with Layang-Layang island - in the mind of thousands of divers around the world the island is synonymous with Malaysia and their Malaysian dream holiday - and any foreign power wanting to take it would be faced with photos of their troops bombing and storm up the beaches of people's fondly remembered vacation hotspot
I don't know for what divers would visit any of the Chinese man-made islands. There's only sand underwater. There are no coral reefs where living creatures lived for thousands of years before. All of that natural world underwater world is lost. It can rebuild itself for sure but you must look from the perspective of the coming houndreds of years if ever. The only thing you can do on those tiny islands is fly in, get a drink and get back as there's not much to do. That's the main reason why people around the world don't like living in such places unles they really want to. Oh, and I'm 100% sure that you kids won't be there once they finish HS education.
 

jobjed

Captain
I don't know for what divers would visit any of the Chinese man-made islands. There's only sand underwater. There are no coral reefs where living creatures lived for thousands of years before. All of that natural world underwater world is lost. It can rebuild itself for sure but you must look from the perspective of the coming houndreds of years if ever. The only thing you can do on those tiny islands is fly in, get a drink and get back as there's not much to do. That's the main reason why people around the world don't like living in such places unles they really want to. Oh, and I'm 100% sure that you kids won't be there once they finish HS education.

The Paracels have had little work done to them and the Spratlys' reefs and shoals that have not been reclaimed are similarly untouched. These reefs are only a few dozen kilometres from the large artificial islands which is well within range of small tour boats. If the Chinese government allows civilian tourism to the islands, reef exploration and fishing are promising industries. In fact, even the artificial islands can develop plentiful fishing opportunities through the use of
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As for your assertion that kids won't be there after HS education, you overestimate the impact of netouyo rhetoric. Your fantasies of a dai nippon koku rising to subjugate the rest of Asia are never happening. Japan will remain 小, not dai, and tourists will visit when or if China decides to open the islands to international visitors contrary to your insane beliefs.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
As for your assertion that kids won't be there after HS education, you overestimate the impact of netouyo rhetoric. Your fantasies of a dai nippon koku rising to subjugate the rest of Asia are never happening. Japan will remain 小, not dai, and tourists will visit when or if China decides to open the islands to international visitors contrary to your insane beliefs.
Class response with lots of valid arguments. As expected.

You're right, PRC can even build 勞改s on every single one of them to be 100% sure that people won't flee from those islands...

EOT as I won't be taking part in such useless mud fights.
 

jobjed

Captain
Class response with lots of valid arguments. As expected.

You're right, PRC can even build 勞改s on every single one of them to be 100% sure that people won't flee from those islands...

EOT as I won't be taking part in such useless mud fights.

Oooh, I touched a nerve, didn't I? Resorting to hilarious labour camp accusations? :D

But then again, 小 countries like yours are quite touchy which is why they like putting 大 in front of everything to escape reality.

Seeing as you have no arguments against my points on the Paracels and most of the Spratlys' retaining their underwater ecosystems, I take it you understand the viability of a tourism industry's being established should China ever want to open them up.
 

FireyCross

New Member
Registered Member
I don't know for what divers would visit any of the Chinese man-made islands. There's only sand underwater. There are no coral reefs where living creatures lived for thousands of years before. All of that natural world underwater world is lost. It can rebuild itself for sure but you must look from the perspective of the coming houndreds of years if ever. The only thing you can do on those tiny islands is fly in, get a drink and get back as there's not much to do. That's the main reason why people around the world don't like living in such places unles they really want to. Oh, and I'm 100% sure that you kids won't be there once they finish HS education.

This isn't supposition. Malaysia has been there and done it already, very successfully, at Layang-Layang (the island is marketed as far away as Europe and the USA as a destination in it's own right). The Paracels has potential for this, as around the main islands there are a good number undisturbed reefs, and the flight time for connecting flights from mainland airports is shorter. However most of the other islands could also be developed likewise - the longer journey is compensated for by the larger allure of true "oceanic" reefs which have better diving conditions and and pelagic fish are a big draw for sport/trophy fisherman. It's an obvious way to entrench a position of sovereignty, and I suspect that the PRC government may be thinking along these lines, looking at the extensive "civilianization" of Woody / Yongxing island already underway.

And yes, some people are born, go to school, grow up and leave, and others stay. That's the way on any small community - there can only be so many jobs and the city will always be a draw. But some will stay, and others will come. Coming from a small island community myself, and having gone away and come back again, I can attest to that.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Class response with lots of valid arguments. As expected.

You're right, PRC can even build 勞改s on every single one of them to be 100% sure that people won't flee from those islands...

EOT as I won't be taking part in such useless mud fights.

You mean like the US prison system?

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Prison labour is legally required in America. Most convicted inmates either work for nothing or for pennies at menial tasks that seem unlikely to boost their job prospects. At the federal level, the Bureau of Prisons operates a programme known as Federal Prison Industries that pays inmates roughly $0.90 an hour to produce everything from mattresses, spectacles,road signs and body armour for other government agencies, earning $500m in sales in fiscal 2016. Prisoners have produced official seals for the Department of Defence and Department of State, a bureau spokesman confirmed. In many prisons, the hourly wage is less than the cost of a chocolate bar at the commissary, yet the waiting list remains long—the programme still pays much more than the $0.12-0.40 earned for an hour of kitchen work.
 
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