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Equation said:

American media is a plutocracy disguising as a "free press". One has to be naïve or brain washed to believe other wise. Heck just by looking at the political arena alone it leans towards the left a lot.

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China thinks every other nation is like theirs. So when one article in one source agrees with them, they interpret this as official policy of the USA because in China nearly everything is vetted through the lens of state approval.

I would have these arguments with people in China and they would always claim that my sources/education were biased because they were always what the US .Gov approved, never realising that in other countries people can and do read a variety of sources that are definitely NOT approved by the .Gov.

Also blogs make the ''media'' in the USA irrelevant in 2016 as many individuals source and report news themselves, not through the AP or Reuters. TV News shows in the USA routinely get 600k to 900k viewers. Contrast that with the 25 million the nightly news casts got in 1980.

Again, this theme repeats, China, Chinese and pro-Chinese think that everyone gets their news like they do from Xinhua, hao123, or similar.

It isn't 1980. There are hundreds, thousands of news sources now.

You are arguing against a reality that literally no longer exists in the Internet age of 1,000 channels and 100,000,000 blogs and fora.

Yvrch said:

It cracks me up every time I see such clueless hackjob taking potshots at Chinese governance and system. Not saying it's not relevant, but that's just one dot, one data point. Do you see the whole dot plot? Can you connect the dots? Do you see the needle moving?

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Yes. I lived in China. The identical news programming on all the CCTV slots and the limited 40 to 70 cable channels nation wide is extremely limited in viewpoint and opinion compared to just about every other nation. The constant 6-8 channels with anti-Japanese, pro-military programming is not repeated in any other nation. It would be as though the USA had 6 channels of 40 broadcasting Nazi documentaries every day.

In other countries the soap opera dramas are set in a neutral time and place. In China they are often set during the war with Japan, Nationalists, Americans in Korea, YiHeQuan, and so on. That is the love dramas.

You point only works on those who have not lived in China.

nfgc said:

China thinks every other nation is like theirs. So when one article in one source agrees with them, they interpret this as official policy of the USA because in China nearly everything is vetted through the lens of state approval.

I would have these arguments with people in China and they would always claim that my sources/education were biased because they were always what the US .Gov approved, never realising that in other countries people can and do read a variety of sources that are definitely NOT approved by the .Gov.

Also blogs make the ''media'' in the USA irrelevant in 2016 as many individuals source and report news themselves, not through the AP or Reuters. TV News shows in the USA routinely get 600k to 900k viewers. Contrast that with the 25 million the nightly news casts got in 1980.

Again, this theme repeats, China, Chinese and pro-Chinese think that everyone gets their news like they do from Xinhua, hao123, or similar.

It isn't 1980. There are hundreds, thousands of news sources now.

You are arguing against a reality that literally no longer exists in the Internet age of 1,000 channels and 100,000,000 blogs and fora.

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You are full of Egg of Man!
I have made many comments on "The National Interests" and "Yahoo" being deleted by the sites. You think about the so-called freedom of expression. No! They only tell you what they wanted you to hear! The problem is that you only hear what you wanted to hear!

You are making assumptions that Chinese only hear what the government wanted them to hear. I am telling you that the assumtion is the mother of all fxckups!

nfgc said:

Yes. I lived in China. The identical news programming on all the CCTV slots and the limited 40 to 70 cable channels nation wide is extremely limited in viewpoint and opinion compared to just about every other nation. The constant 6-8 channels with anti-Japanese, pro-military programming is not repeated in any other nation. It would be as though the USA had 6 channels of 40 broadcasting Nazi documentaries every day.

In other countries the soap opera dramas are set in a neutral time and place. In China they are often set during the war with Japan, Nationalists, Americans in Korea, YiHeQuan, and so on. That is the love dramas.

You point only works on those who have not lived in China.

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I live in the United States. The identical news programming against China on all TV channels and major websites everyday. The rednecks and cowboys are being brainwashed that the lives in China like Fu Manchu and Charlie Chan era. VOA is always bringing those China haters to represent the so-called Chinese dissents in the United States. In my opinion, they are full of bullcrabs(only allowed here).

Back to the Topic!

This photo was taken from a H-6K's cockpit:

nfgc said:

Yes. I lived in China. The identical news programming on all the CCTV slots and the limited 40 to 70 cable channels nation wide is extremely limited in viewpoint and opinion compared to just about every other nation. The constant 6-8 channels with anti-Japanese, pro-military programming is not repeated in any other nation. It would be as though the USA had 6 channels of 40 broadcasting Nazi documentaries every day.

In other countries the soap opera dramas are set in a neutral time and place. In China they are often set during the war with Japan, Nationalists, Americans in Korea, YiHeQuan, and so on. That is the love dramas.

You point only works on those who have not lived in China.

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So you are a Vietnamese who used to live and work in China for a period correct?
If TV programs run during your stay didn't agree with your personal taste, all that required was turn it off.

Now cutting it to the chase.
Implicit in your post is the fact that you clearly see TV and media as a political tool, rather than entertainment. What was more irritating for you is the whole matter was running against the grain of your bias and prejudices, against your political expectations and inspiration that you somehow imposed on China, which in turn was more or less originated in you having picked up here and there few droppings from the shared general hatred of Anglophone lame stream media towards China.

The funny thing is everybody seems to agree that in China, TV, press and media are used as a political tool but refuses to see the same thing in Western lame stream media. Do you see my point?

I know it's hard to swallow what Annamites failed in SCS but cochinchina was long gone.

nfgc said:

China thinks every other nation is like theirs. So when one article in one source agrees with them, they interpret this as official policy of the USA because in China nearly everything is vetted through the lens of state approval.

I would have these arguments with people in China and they would always claim that my sources/education were biased because they were always what the US .Gov approved, never realising that in other countries people can and do read a variety of sources that are definitely NOT approved by the .Gov.

Also blogs make the ''media'' in the USA irrelevant in 2016 as many individuals source and report news themselves, not through the AP or Reuters. TV News shows in the USA routinely get 600k to 900k viewers. Contrast that with the 25 million the nightly news casts got in 1980.

Again, this theme repeats, China, Chinese and pro-Chinese think that everyone gets their news like they do from Xinhua, hao123, or similar.

It isn't 1980. There are hundreds, thousands of news sources now.

You are arguing against a reality that literally no longer exists in the Internet age of 1,000 channels and 100,000,000 blogs and fora.

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I trust CCTV more than I trust the US bias media contraption.

nfgc said:

Yes. I lived in China. The identical news programming on all the CCTV slots and the limited 40 to 70 cable channels nation wide is extremely limited in viewpoint and opinion compared to just about every other nation. The constant 6-8 channels with anti-Japanese, pro-military programming is not repeated in any other nation. It would be as though the USA had 6 channels of 40 broadcasting Nazi documentaries every day.

In other countries the soap opera dramas are set in a neutral time and place. In China they are often set during the war with Japan, Nationalists, Americans in Korea, YiHeQuan, and so on. That is the love dramas.

You point only works on those who have not lived in China.

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US war movies are mostly based on WWII and holocaust to paint America as a the only liberating heroes during that time, never mind that Russia and China did most of the killings of the enemies.

jkliz said:

I guess but the Chinese government really doesn't allow for nearly as much diversity of thought in the major media outlets as the US does. Like when one of the popular Chinese anchors was suspended from his job because he was filmed cursing Mao at one of his dinners even though that is an opinion expressed by many Chinese, both regular members of society as well as business moguls and tycoons as well.

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Thank you for proving my point. Western media's typical tactic is to report half-truths about events in China.

I am well aware of the TV anchor you are talking about. His name is Bi Fujian, and he used to host one of the most popular talent show on TV.

First, let's start with a correction. Bi was never sanctioned by the government in any way for his personal opinion. Instead, he was released from his employment by the TV network for which he worked. Now you can argue that the Chinese government controls all the TV networks, in which case you would be committing the exact same sin you just accused Chinese media of doing: equivocating all actions by a diverse cast of actors to be a monolithic representation of the government.

Now, allow me to explain exactly *WHY* Bi was let go from his position as a popular host. This is something you'll never read in Western Media.

Bi has always presented an on-air persona of not only patriotism, but utmost respect toward the PLA. He has always claimed to be a former officer of the PLA. Many of the show's contestants are from the PLA, and those contestants always salute Bi as an officer on stage.

The worst comment Bi made in that video was not cursing Mao, even though that's what the western media wants you to believe. No, the most self-destructive comment was when he disparaged the sacrifices of PLA soldiers. This was an utterly contrary action to the persona that he presents on air, therefore there was no way he could continue in his role.

nfgc said:

China thinks every other nation is like theirs. So when one article in one source agrees with them, they interpret this as official policy of the USA because in China nearly everything is vetted through the lens of state approval.

I would have these arguments with people in China and they would always claim that my sources/education were biased because they were always what the US .Gov approved, never realising that in other countries people can and do read a variety of sources that are definitely NOT approved by the .Gov.

Also blogs make the ''media'' in the USA irrelevant in 2016 as many individuals source and report news themselves, not through the AP or Reuters. TV News shows in the USA routinely get 600k to 900k viewers. Contrast that with the 25 million the nightly news casts got in 1980.

Again, this theme repeats, China, Chinese and pro-Chinese think that everyone gets their news like they do from Xinhua, hao123, or similar.

It isn't 1980. There are hundreds, thousands of news sources now.

You are arguing against a reality that literally no longer exists in the Internet age of 1,000 channels and 100,000,000 blogs and fora.

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The Western media does the exact same thing.

Every single act or opinion coming out of China, unless it's anti-government, is portrayed as coming from the Chinese government.

Bi Fujian was fired for private comments caught on video? The Chinese government. Some coal miners died in an explosion? The government. Hawkish comments from a military oriented magazine? The government again. The market crashed? Yup, the government again!

It's like Trump being attacked by the media for believing or promoting things they say are wrong. The problem is even Trump admits everything he knows about the world comes from the media. So what does that say about the media who attacks him for being wrong when he's just repeating what the media reports? Yeah that's a legitimate news media who doesn't even see their own hypocrisy.