PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)

ahojunk

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2016-05-06 09:32 | Xinhua | Editor: Gu Liping

A delegation of former Taiwan senior officials on Thursday visited Taiping Island, the largest of the Nansha Islands in the South China Sea.

The 20-member group visited a wharf, a lighthouse, a photovoltaic facility, a post office, a hospital, a farm and a well. They tasted the natural fresh water and food made from local ingredients, said a press release provided by Taiwan's coast guard authority.

The farm and fresh water well show Taiping's natural resources are sufficient to sustain human habitation, it added. The hospital staff briefed the visitors on past rescue missions and their advanced facilities.

On Jan. 28, Taiwan leader Ma Ying-jeou paid a visit to the island.

Islands in the South China Sea were first discovered, named and used by the Chinese in the Western Han Dynasty (202 BC-8 AD). They were incorporated into the maritime defense system no later than 1721, in the Kangxi period of the Qing Dynasty (1616-1912), with patrols and other management measures, Ma said during the visit.

The Chinese government published maps of the South China Sea islands in 1935 and 1947, reaffirming its sovereignty over the islands and their surrounding waters, he said.

In terms of history, geography, or international law, the sovereignty over the Nansha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Dongsha islands and their surrounding waters is indisputable, he stressed.
 

GreenestGDP

Junior Member
Mangroves, like all trees, require nutrients to grow. In their natural environments, this comes from sediments getting washed to the sea by rain and storms. Mangrove roots trap these sediments and provide protection against natural erosion.

This of course, assumes that we're talking about the coast of a large land mass, not a tiny island. Small islands tend to be poor in nutrients, and this would be doubly so for man-made islands.

Could mangroves provide natural protection against erosion? Sure, if you had a forest of them. Seedlings? Not so much. Do mangroves "naturally enlarge" the islands? I'm pretty sure that's patently nonsense.

Frankly, ... ...
It is difficult for a Sun Wu Kong wannabe or a Zhu Ba Jie person who is having a narrow one--track mind and a Sun Wu Kong wannabe or a Zhu Ba Jie person who tend to dismiss 5000 years old Chinese culture ( just because he happens to live in the west, and think he has already made it, and achieve the ultimate in life ) to think beyond the box or to think without the box. :D :D

If PRC has the ability to dredge the surrounding sediment around many Coral Reef, and fill the same Coral Reefs, and enlarge them into many tiny islands, surely then PRC is able to dredge enough sediment to accelerate the growth of Mangrove trees that have been built to surround those newly built tiny islands.

Growing Coral Reefs are nice ideas.
But it is too slow and takes too long to to expand the size of these tiny island.

===

In order to expand these newly built tiny islands as fast as possible, and simultaneously as harmonious as possible with the mother nature, and as economically as possible ... ...

My suggestion are: ... ...

Step 1) Plant a garrison of Mangrove trees to surround these newly built tiny island. ~ These garrison of Mangrove trees does not have to be to deep, 10+ meters depth is sufficient.

Step 2) In the beginning, before enough fauna are living on these newly formed Mangrove trees garrisons, you need to artificially supply enough nutrients rich sediments ( perhaps, taken from Chicken farms on the Hainan island and recycle the human feces and urines from those tiny island inhabitants, and used them as top grade fertilizers ) to reinforce the Mangrove trees roots and accelerate their growth.

Step 3) Once the Mangrove trees have grown to 2+ meters tall, and when the Mangrove trees roots vibrantly extend towards the sea, then you cover those Mangrove trees roots shorelines ( when is more than 10 meters wide ) that are hanging in the water with more local sediments taken from the surrounding sea, and automatically expand the size of these tiny islands.

Step 4) You repeat ( steps 1, 2, 3 ) above and continuously expand the size and depth of the Mangrove Trees garrisons. ~ Within 12 months, the Mangrove Trees garrisons could easily exceed 110 meters wide, and you can trim the Mangrove Trees inner perimeter, and reclaim back the original 10 meters land that you initially use to plant the initial Mangrove trees garrisons.

Step 5) In a short time, these Mangrove Trees garrisons will be populated by Fauna above and under the water. In turns, the local Fauna will generate plenty of nutrition ( soil nutrients ) to accelerate the growth of the Mangrove Trees even more, and hosts an even greater amount of Fauna.
These mother nature self reinforcing cycle regeneration process will enable
those tiny islands to joint each other and become a much bigger island.

===

I can imagine at least 5 significant benefits.

1) This means your 12 nm boundary also expand significantly.

2) The garrison of Mangrove trees forests could also be very useful to camouflage and hide more SAM HQ-9 and other military installations.

3) Anti Tsunami.

4) These Mangrove Trees forests garrisons together with build--in reservoirs to capture huge volume of rainwater will definitely solve the fresh drinking water problems.

5) This in turns will allow PRC to install huge Horticultural Green Houses
to create a self contained and sustainable environment without ferrying foods from PRC mainland.


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ahojunk

Senior Member
Pictures of the PLA cultural and arts troupe performance, this time on Nanxun (Gaven) Island.
I believe these photos were taken on May 04, 2016.

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PLA performers at Nanxun. She is pretty!

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PLA performers at Nanxun. In the background is the other part of Nanxun. There are towers and buildings.

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PLA performers at Nanxun. A large ship anchored in the background.

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PLA performers at Nanxun.

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PLA performers at Nanxun.

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PLA performers at Nanxun.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Frankly, ... ...
It is difficult for a Sun Wu Kong wannabe or a Zhu Ba Jie person who is having a narrow one--track mind and a Sun Wu Kong wannabe or a Zhu Ba Jie person who tend to dismiss 5000 years old Chinese culture ( just because he happens to live in the west, and think he has already made it, and achieve the ultimate in life ) to think beyond the box or to think without the box. :D :D

If PRC has the ability to dredge the surrounding sediment around many Coral Reef, and fill the same Coral Reefs, and enlarge them into many tiny islands, surely then PRC is able to dredge enough sediment to accelerate the growth of Mangrove trees that have been built to surround those newly built tiny islands.

Growing Coral Reefs are nice ideas.
But it is too slow and takes too long to to expand the size of these tiny island.

===

In order to expand these newly built tiny islands as fast as possible, and simultaneously as harmonious as possible with the mother nature, and as economically as possible ... ...

My suggestion are: ... ...

Step 1) Plant a garrison of Mangrove trees to surround these newly built tiny island. ~ These garrison of Mangrove trees does not have to be to deep, 10+ meters depth is sufficient.

Step 2) In the beginning, before enough fauna are living on these newly formed Mangrove trees garrisons, you need to artificially supply enough nutrients rich sediments ( perhaps, taken from Chicken farms on the Hainan island and recycle the human feces and urines from those tiny island inhabitants, and used them as top grade fertilizers ) to reinforce the Mangrove trees roots and accelerate their growth.

Step 3) Once the Mangrove trees have grown to 2+ meters tall, and when the Mangrove trees roots vibrantly extend towards the sea, then you cover those Mangrove trees roots shorelines ( when is more than 10 meters wide ) that are hanging in the water with more local sediments taken from the surrounding sea, and automatically expand the size of these tiny islands.

Step 4) You repeat ( steps 1, 2, 3 ) above and continuously expand the size and depth of the Mangrove Trees garrisons. ~ Within 12 months, the Mangrove Trees garrisons could easily exceed 110 meters wide, and you can trim the Mangrove Trees inner perimeter, and reclaim back the original 10 meters land that you initially use to plant the initial Mangrove trees garrisons.

Step 5) In a short time, these Mangrove Trees garrisons will be populated by Fauna above and under the water. In turns, the local Fauna will generate plenty of nutrition ( soil nutrients ) to accelerate the growth of the Mangrove Trees even more, and hosts an even greater amount of Fauna.
These mother nature self reinforcing cycle regeneration process will enable
those tiny islands to joint each other and become a much bigger island.

===

I can imagine at least 5 significant benefits.

1) This means your 12 nm boundary also expand significantly.

2) The garrison of Mangrove trees forests could also be very useful to camouflage and hide more SAM HQ-9 and other military installations.

3) Anti Tsunami.

4) These Mangrove Trees forests garrisons together with build--in reservoirs to capture huge volume of rainwater will definitely solve the fresh drinking water problems.

5) This in turns will allow PRC to install huge Horticultural Green Houses
to create a self contained and sustainable environment without ferrying foods from PRC mainland.

There are so many things wrong with your post that I don't even know where to start. You obviously have no idea how coral reefs work, and you have no idea what is involved in growing mangrove trees, or making artificial islands for that matter.

First, we are NOT proposing artificial reefs to make the islands bigger, their purpose is to provide a replacement for the reefs lost to the islands so that fishes, corals, and all sorts of marine organisms can have a new habitat.

Second, putting large quantities of chicken manure or any other kind of fertilizer on those islands would be disastrous for the environment. Nutrients will inevitably wash out into the sea, and this will cause the eutrophication of surrounding waters, resulting in an algae bloom that will turn the water toxic and kill all other living organisms.

Finally, the size of those artificial islands is dictated by the shape of their reefs. The only reason we can create these islands is because of the existence of those reefs. Reefs provide the stability needed to hold sediments in place. Without those reefs, any sediments you dump into the sea will just get washed away by waves.

Do you actually understand what reefs are? They are literally underwater mountains. Some of those reefs rise 1000 metres from the ocean floor! Do you seriously think that your 2-m tall mangrove trees can be used as a foundation for an island that needs to hold buildings and runways???
 

joshuatree

Captain
If PRC has the ability to dredge the surrounding sediment around many Coral Reef, and fill the same Coral Reefs, and enlarge them into many tiny islands, surely then PRC is able to dredge enough sediment to accelerate the growth of Mangrove trees that have been built to surround those newly built tiny islands.

Then why bother with mangroves and just cut to the chase with dredging to expand the island? Which is what they did but they have already decided the current size is adequate.


1) This means your 12 nm boundary also expand significantly.

No it doesn't. It just means you can extend that 500m safety zone around a man-made island another 10m out per your example of 10m of mangroves.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Then why bother with mangroves and just cut to the chase with dredging to expand the island? Which is what they did but they have already decided the current size is adequate.

Here's a nice infographic on how China is building those islands:

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The key point is #1: finding a suitable reef structure. From what I've read in another article, the islands that China has built are based on reefs that were previously 1 meter below the surface. This is critical, as the amount of sand needed to build the island up increases exponentially the higher we need to build (think of a pyramid).

Furthermore, think about what happens when you build a sandcastle on a beach, and a wave washes over it. Sand is easily crumbled by water. Reefs serve as a solid mass upon which sand can be piled and then compacted to prevent erosion.
 
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jkliz

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This guy is the Donald Trump of the Phillipines XD
 

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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
From south China morning post
I think this technology is viable using off the shelf technology and should be cheap to implement. They have diesel generator might as well use the waste heat

China has made a breakthrough in desalination technology that could help it produce fresh water on remote islands and also quickly expand habitable areas on reclaimed land or natural islets in the South China Sea, where it is engaged in territorial disputes with several of its Asian neighbours.

Moreover, the country often faces droughts in its arid north and has been looking at ways of getting more fresh or potable water to dry provinces and municipalities. According to a report by Bloomberg in April of last year, the Chinese government has been planning to quadruple desalination by 2020.

As such, the recent test run of a new desalination system that can remove salt and other harmful elements from seawater using heat produced by a diesel generator may come as music to the ears of Chinese authorities.

The system is currently in operation on Guishan Island off the coast of Zhuhai city in the southern Chinese province of Guangdong.

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The tests were carried out by a researcher at the Guangzhou Institute of Advanced Technology in Guangdong, and the heat drawn from the generator would otherwise have been considered a waste product, according to an announcement on the institute’s website.

Although the system is intended for peaceful purposes, it has been hailed in some quarters as being of strategic interest to the nation and its military “comparable to an air carrier fleet”.

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The last remark was made by a Chinese scientist who was involved with the project but did not want his name used due to the politically sensitive nature of the work.

“It will further tip the balance of power [in the South China Sea],” he added.

Diesel generators are commonly found on islands in the Paracels and other disputed areas in the South China Sea. They generate electricity for military facilities such as radar and communication devices, among other tasks.

On most of the islands controlled by China in the South China Sea, drinking water comes in barrels together with other supplies from small boats, making it as scarce as fuel.

According to reports in the country’s state media, some soldiers could not take a shower for months on end and had to rely on rain water when their water supplies became ruined by the weather.

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DigoSSA

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U.S. journal criticizes Obama administration for provocation in South China Sea
(Xinhua) 14:39, May 07, 2016

NEW YORK, May 6 -- The Barack Obama administration's provocative policy in the Pacific is gunboat diplomacy in disguise and may lead to war in the region if not quickly reversed, a U.S. journal warned on Friday.

The article "Prelude to War in the Pacific," published on the latest issue of Executive Intelligence Review, provided a detailed analysis on why the provocative meddling in the Pacific region by the United States is dangerous, why China's territorial claims of the Nansha and Xisha Islands are legitimate, and how the United States is sabotaging the amicable resolution of the regional conflict.

Bylined by the Washington Bureau Chief of the publication William Jones, the article noted that Washington did not sign the UN Law of the Sea Convention, but elaborated its unilateral "freedom of navigation policy" out of the country's own selfish interests.

The policy effectively allows the U.S. Navy to sail wherever and whenever it wants, unimpeded by any treaty, which essentially making U.S. military vessels a modern form of "gunboat diplomacy," wrote Jones.

It denounced Western media for depicting China's claims to the Nansha and Xisha Islands as a Chinese "power grab," arguing that for most of China's history, these claims have never been contested.

Throughout the region's history, extensive activities by Chinese on the islands were present, including fishing and planting, and some Chinese even lived on the islands for years. Many Chinese relics and remains have been found there, including the remains of temples, the article said.

Jones also argued that Chinese possession of the islands would have a beneficial effect on navigation in the region.

"Already China has constructed two lighthouses on Huayang Reef in the Nanshas, and emergency rescue facilities have been established on the Nanshas and Xishas."

The article made an accurate analogy to display the hypocrisy of the U.S. rhetoric.

"Remember that the United States in 1872 sent General John Schofield to the then independent kingdom of Hawaii to investigate those islands for the purpose of eventually putting U.S. military facilities on an advanced perimeter in the Pacific," said the article.

"But the Hawaiian Islands are 2,390 miles from the coast of California, while the Nansha Islands are 500 miles from the Chinese coast and the Xisha only 180 miles. And while the United States had no claim to the Hawaiian Islands (but would soon annex them in rather murky circumstances), China does have such a claim, a claim which was once universally recognized," Jones argued.

Jones believed that countries in the region had a path to peaceful resolution to the conflicts of their territorial claims, but Washington was actively sabotaging the efforts.

"China is clearly aware of the conflicts that have arisen with its neighbors over its attempt to make good on its claims," said Jones in the article. "It is also concerned to maintain amicable relations with its neighbors, and is therefore engaged in coming to agreements with the various claimants through a process of bilateral negotiations."

The article highlighted the agreements between the countries of the region, encapsulated in the 2012 Declaration of Conduct signed by the members of ASEAN and the government of China.

The document calls on the parties "to resolve their territorial and jurisdictional disputes by peaceful means, without resorting to the threat or use of force, through friendly consultations and negotiations by sovereign states directly concerned, in accordance with universally recognized principles of international law, including the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea."

However, the Philippines has taken the issue to arbitration in its dispute with China. And with the blessing of the United States, the Philippines is hoping that the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague will rule in its favor, said the article.

Jones argued that if the disputes involved only the countries in the region, they could be resolved amicably. "Given the economic strength of China and its clear willingness to use that strength to create a win-win situation for its neighbors -- as we have seen in China's Belt and Road Initiative -- there is no reason that satisfactory arrangements beneficial to all could not be worked out."

The article warned sternly against U.S. provocative policy in the Pacific region, saying that the U.S. invasions of Chinese waters, and the attempts by the United States to create a mini-NATO to target China using the few allies it has in the region, have made an amicable solution impossible.


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