Relaxed. Not the end of the world.
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Relaxed. Not the end of the world.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
It is funny how Indonesia inherit territory from the the Dutch and Dutch declare any territory as theirS based on Terra Annulus . But they didn't recognized that Natuna has been FIRSTS FOUND populated by the Chinese. So using the same principle it should belong to China.
Here is the hypocrisy and arrogant of western power. They and only they alone has the right to decide who own what.
China is very restraint and bend over backward recognizing Indonesian sovereignty But south china sea has been Chinese fishing area for generation so that has to be taken into consideration. As a proof Natune population is originally Chinese fisherman . So the Chinese has been there for century. Maritime border and fishing right are negotiated between relevant country if it overlap. There is no winner take all
The short answer is YES they had no other choice
Well they have no choice take it while the taking is good. Every country compromise, I use Japan and Taiwan as an example.
Otherwise conflict will occur
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joshuatree
Captain
Please provide the source then, the article you read. You say go re-read but none of the articles I came across say they went within the 12nm. I'm still waiting for your article about how supposedly it was 4.5km of Natuna. If you can't or won't provide source(s), then there's little substance to your post.
As for traditional fishing grounds, there is precedence for such. Indonesians get to fish well within Australia's EEZ based on such an argument.
Brumby
Major
Do you have a source for this including that Australia agrees to it? There are plenty of bank robberies around the world. It doesn't make them legal.
Unfortunately it's true here. Please provide the source. If it's Indonesian it's 100% OK. I'm writing this as a slightly anti-Chinese representative group around here.
joshuatree
Captain
Brumby
Major
In the case between Australia and Indonesia, there is a MOU. Is there a MOU between China and Indonesia pertaining to the EEZ around Natuna ? Your precedent comment on traditional fishing grounds is rather misleading.
When you make an authorised bank withdrawal it is legal right. Unauthorised withdrawal is stealing.
Brumby
Major
The Indonesian source provides the coordinates I believe where the fishing boat was initially caught and not the cordinates for the ramming incident. I guess you will have to google translate it to English
joshuatree
Captain
No misleading, the case is an example of the argument of traditional fishing grounds which led to a MOU. Prior to 1974, I'm pretty sure Indonesians fishing in waters near Australia would be considered "unauthorized" by the Australians.