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I think I did post a picture of 115 a while back, but all the recent ones are 071, 054A, 170 and sov
anyhow, here are more 139, the last one from a news report, the previous 4 are from a magazine.
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some pictures of 168 recently, not sure where this is exactly.
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pictures of 071 and 054A from HD. Since there is nothing new with them, I didn't post them in their own threads.
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tphuang said:
some pictures of 168 recently, not sure where this is exactly.
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THAT, is an unbelievably good picture of the 168. IMHO, both of those vessels are impressive DDGs...as the PLAN improves their ASW capability, they will be all the more impressive, and should not be underestimated in the least.
 
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Jeff Head said:
THAT, is an unbelievably good picture of the 168. IMHO, both of those vessels are impressive DDGs...as the PLAN improves their ASW capability, they will be all the more impressive, and should not be underestimated in the least.
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How likely is it that PLAN's relative lack of progress on the ASW capability of its surface ships is simply due to a strategic decision to use SSKs as the main ASW assets ? Instead of it being due to technological or budgetary constraints.
There has always been talk that the best ASW asset is another sub, don't know how true is that though.
 
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Schumacher said:
How likely is it that PLAN's relative lack of progress on the ASW capability of its surface ships is simply due to a strategic decision to use SSKs as the main ASW assets ? Instead of it being due to technological or budgetary constraints.
There has always been talk that the best ASW asset is another sub, don't know how true is that though.
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That is definitely true...but the SSKs will only go so far, and they are principally defensive in nature in the littoral waters particularly.

For Blue Water operations for any of their surface groups, the PLAN DDGs, FFGs, LPDs, CVs and other vessels are going to have to depend on ASW capabilities of their own to fend off other nation's subs.

Having good ASW helos on these vessels will go a long way if they have powerful dipping sonars, good passive detections equipment, and powerful weapons to launch at any enemies they find. For those surface ships to venture very far away from their own littoral waters if there is any potential for conflict (and that is why they are called "war" ships), then their own ASW capabilites are going to be a must, otherwise other nation's submarines will have a hay day wth them.

Having numerous, modern, and very quiet and effective SSNs would also help a lot...but they will also need their own ASW capabilites.
 
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Jeff Head said:
THAT, is an unbelievably good picture of the 168. IMHO, both of those vessels are impressive DDGs...as the PLAN improves their ASW capability, they will be all the more impressive, and should not be underestimated in the least.
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hey Jeff, good to see my photos are going on your website. Btw, I think you do a great job with it. If I can help you with anything, feel free to ask.

btw, do you see if there is any sign of VDS on 052B/C?

a few more photos from HD shipyard.
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Jeff Head said:
That is definitely true...but the SSKs will only go so far, and they are principally defensive in nature in the littoral waters particularly.

For Blue Water operations for any of their surface groups, the PLAN DDGs, FFGs, LPDs, CVs and other vessels are going to have to depend on ASW capabilities of their own to fend off other nation's subs.

Having good ASW helos on these vessels will go a long way if they have powerful dipping sonars, good passive detections equipment, and powerful weapons to launch at any enemies they find. For those surface ships to venture very far away from their own littoral waters if there is any potential for conflict (and that is why they are called "war" ships), then their own ASW capabilites are going to be a must, otherwise other nation's submarines will have a hay day wth them.

Having numerous, modern, and very quiet and effective SSNs would also help a lot...but they will also need their own ASW capabilites.
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Good points. And as I see it, PLAN's medium term target is very much limited to littoral water ie potential conflicts with Japan in East China Sea or Taiwan.
Not saying ASW capability on surface ships are not important, but merely trying to speculate why PLAN seems not to put too much emphasis on them.
 
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tphuang said:
hey Jeff, good to see my photos are going on your website. Btw, I think you do a great job with it. If I can help you with anything, feel free to ask.
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You have a PM.

Those are good pics of the LPD and the new FFG.

Any idea if anopther LPD has been started?

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btw, do you see if there is any sign of VDS on 052B/C?
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I am not sure. I know the Luhus has the DUBV-43 MF variable depth sonar and the PLAN now has a lot of experience with it. So I would be surprised if they did not...although, having said that, the Luhai does not have it.
 
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