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hey, you can check the stat of their previous batch of two replenishment ships here.
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but it looks like 888 is different from 886 and 887, they at least put in some RCS reduction features.
328
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891 experiment ship - no idea about its stats
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The new replacement ship 888 is obviously smaller than the twins 886 and 887 (Fuchi class) which are 171 meters long and displacement is around 23 000 tons.

This new ship is much smaller, you can determine from the size of the Type 76F AAA
 

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Thanks guys. The 891 looks similar to an old USN AFS(combat stores) or AE(ammo) type ship

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Good show by the PLAN. They are really moving foward in their quest for a blue water navy.

pretty much can see all the VLS on 891 including the one in the back...

Why does a replenishment ship need VLS? You are just using up space for storage of it's cargo. I do not get it...
 
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Thanks guys. The 891 looks similar to an old USN AFS(combat stores) or AE(ammo) type ship

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Good show by the PLAN. They are really moving foward in their quest for a blue water navy.



Why does a replenishment ship need VLS? You are just using up space for storage of it's cargo. I do not get it...
891 isn't replenishment ship;

891 is experiment-/testship - some people say at least testing 6-cell vertical launch systems (VLS) of HQ-9 air defence missiles including the Aegis AN/SPY-1-style phased array radar system for the Type 052C (NATO codename: Luyang-II class) air defence guided missile destroyers

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the heck - 891 could be a nice air defence escort for sea lift replenishment ships ;)
 

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891 is experiment-/testship - some people say at least testing 6-cell vertical launch systems (VLS) of HQ-9 air defence missiles including the Aegis AN/SPY-1-style phased array radar system for the Type 052C (NATO codename: Luyang-II class) air defence guided missile destroyers

I learn something new everyday. Looks like a USN AFS to me..well kinda sorta.

I could not find the ship listed at sinodefence.com...Maybe I missed it.

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328 minesweeper again
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btw to Golly, you seemed to be pretty familiar with minesweepers. I remember you made some comments about 328 vs 804 a while back. Can you make some assessment on these two new types of minesweepers?
 

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The 804 was the bigger, right?

With only pictures, its really hard to tell anything specific. Alot depends on wheter these ships are minesweepers or minehunters, which are different type of ships. I'll try to memorizes a bit what we discussed earlier and I will get back to you.

Nut needless to say that anything that is newer than T43 is a great improvement to PLAN MCM fleet. It too have been negelend way too long in PLAN....
 

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a picture of 804 and an unnumbered one for comparison.
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well modern MCM vessels are one of those that you cannot really judge without knowing what they have eaten. But by quick clance and pure visual speculation, the otherone seems to look more of traditional mechanical sweeper with assosiated gears. Basicly in those methods are nothing wrong and nothing really new and innovative methods in mechanical sweeping has come since the T-43 class (propaply why the boats looks so similar of them, the desing is good and proven so no need to re invent the aerosol-deodorant)

But the differences are those that we really cannot judge by mere outside look. Damage controll. Has its engine room and habitability taken account of the newer generation thecnology, such as remote controll and 'floating raft' principle...Also, wether the hull is old wood or Glass reinforced plastic as in all other modern MCMs.

Modern MCM boats tend to have following structural charrectaristics:

  • GRP hull
  • ligthly build superstructers that doesent harm the ships when blowing up on
    mine detonation
  • Deeply consideration taken place for the acoustic singature of the ships
  • remotely controlled machinery and other key elements so that the crew can be positioned into single secured enverioment
  • good slow speed manouvrability


The other boat looks to lack heavy mechanichal gear wich indicates that they are minehunters and with remote controlled submersible devices to destroy the mines as well as support divers and have also hull kounted sonar for mine detection. But wheter they are good boats or not, it depends on their structual solutions and the capacity of the mentioned electronics.

But overall it was about time to PLAN catch up with the rest of the world that begun to devolp those mentioned ideas in the 60's. I believe that China however faces similar proplems in these fields than in other neglected areas (shipborne AAW). They can benefit from the others making all of the 'innovatives' but as these boats has just recently appeared, we can expect that PLAN lacks still great deal in operating them as part of functional fleet (and this applies also to all other new innovatives that have recently correct PLANs rather poor overal capacity).
But good thing is that they are finnaly begun to understand what modern fleet needs to function, but it will take time before they have desing methods and changed doctrines to gain the value of the new generation of toys...
 

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are these minesweepers?
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805 - new minehunter
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