PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

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Guys as Jeff posted eariler..this is an excellent thread.

MIGleader..While it is true the French operate a CV. I do not think they would share or sell certain things to the PLAN. Did you know the French catapults are the same as on a US Carrier? In fact US shipyard personnel have repaired(performed mainatince) on them in the past.



I don't think the US would look so kindly on as the French gave up catapult technology. However the US is developing electromagnetic catapults

Carrier operations though? Yes the PLAN will ahve to learn how to do it safely. The French would be a great help in this area.

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bd popeye said:

I don't think the US would look so kindly on as the French gave up catapult technology.

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In fact, there may well be a treaty between the two countries regarding the same.

bd popeye said:

The French would be a great help in this area.

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My guess is the PLAN will be looking to hire retired "consultants" from wherever they can find them, for top dollar, to help them in this area.

They will probably get lots of takers from Russia and perhaps France.

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i think companes like thales would be very interested in selling battle systems, some defense weapons(not ashm). the french can be relied upon to offer a diesel for the carrier. while the french might not actually sell complete systems, they can aid in the layout. remember, they once offered to give china a carreir taken that the chonese buy their systems.

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bd popeye said:

Really? Could you name someone this has happened to or post a story? I'm serious.

I know that generally in the US as long as you keep the protest peaceful and do not block public access(keep moving) you can picket or protest anything you want.

Everyday on Tv you see various different people lambasting the Prestdent. I don't think all these people had their houses burned down, lost their jobs or were hasseled by the CIA. Because if they wee they would immediatley be on the news..i.e. CNN, FOX, MSNBC, CBS, 20 20, 60 minutes etc...Why? Because those type of stories are worth a lot of money to the person involved and the networks.

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From the history channel: ok, in the 70s, there was a man named samuel byke. you may know him as the man who tried to kill nixon. before he actually tried to kill nixon, he hated him. at a bar, byke said some thing bad about nixon(not a threat). someone overheard and squealed, and the cia came and hassled him. he proteseted nixon in front of the white house(no threats), and again got hassled. he never really had a good jhob, and now found it even harder to get one.

just for interest...he tried to hijack a plane and crash it into the white house, but got thwarted by security. i wish he had suceeded. nixon was a basterd.


more...in the sixties, a man claimed he had seen aliens land, and he constantly talked about it. the government told him to shut up, but he didnt. he actully defied them and publicly announced aliens were real. he lost his job the next day, and his house burnt.

americans like to think they have th right to protest, but what happenend to kids who protested during vietnam? LBJ send the national guard to tear gas em, and later, many were killed.
china mistreats its tibetians? what about the u.s, and the 1950's and 60's? black people potesting for rights got jailed, had their houses vandalized, were attacked by police dogs, and often killed.

now, you may say this is the past of the u.s, but isnt tiananmen the past of china too?

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Hi MIGleader. I'm sorry, but your solitary example of government abuse pales in comparison to China's Human Rights violations in the 1970's. It pales in comparison to modern China today. The facts are, that you are free to completely trash President GW Bush in the USA....anywhere, and anytime you want. Did you happen to see the angry protests out in Washington DC a couple of weeks back? There were both thousands of GW Bush supporters and protesters out there speaking there mind.

I can guarantee you that nobody.....NOBODY in China has any right to criticize Hu Jintao or the other party leadership of China. Go down to Beijing and demand China stop referring to Taiwan as a part of China. Better yet, call for Taiwan independance right in the middle of Beijing. Basically you can't compare the USA to China here. The USA is golden compared to China in Human rights and freedoms.

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Sea Dog said:

Hi MIGleader. I'm sorry, but your solitary example of government abuse pales in comparison to China's Human Rights violations in the 1970's. It pales in comparison to modern China today. The facts are, that you are free to completely trash President GW Bush in the USA....anywhere, and anytime you want. Did you happen to see the angry protests out in Washington DC a couple of weeks back? There were both thousands of GW Bush supporters and protesters out there speaking there mind.

I can guarantee you that nobody.....NOBODY in China has any right to criticize Hu Jintao or the other party leadership of China. Go down to Beijing and demand China stop referring to Taiwan as a part of China. Better yet, call for Taiwan independance right in the middle of Beijing. Basically you can't compare the USA to China here. The USA is golden compared to China in Human rights and freedoms.

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Sure, you can criticize the president, but look at what happen to those people. They suffer so much heat from the media that they have to apologize. With the exception of Michael Moore, but he has thick skin.

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MIGleader said:

i think companes like thales would be very interested in selling battle systems, some defense weapons(not ashm). the french can be relied upon to offer a diesel for the carrier. while the french might not actually sell complete systems, they can aid in the layout.

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I agree. If the PLAN wants help, there are various countries and individuals that they will find and be able to pay to do so.

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MIGleader said:

i think companes like thales would be very interested in selling battle systems, some defense weapons(not ashm). the french can be relied upon to offer a diesel for the carrier. while the french might not actually sell complete systems, they can aid in the layout. remember, they once offered to give china a carreir taken that the chonese buy their systems.

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I also read some news about the Party has agreed to open its Military tech market for western companies ro invest and help quicken the steps of building up the PLAN.

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tphuang said:

Sure, you can criticize the president, but look at what happen to those people. They suffer so much heat from the media that they have to apologize. With the exception of Michael Moore, but he has thick skin.

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Name one person who is suffering as a result of criticizing President Bush. Just one. The facts are, you can't. Meanwhile, let's see you go to Beijing and call for Taiwan's independance. Let's see you go there with a poster of Hu Jintao with the word "CRIMINAL" painted on it. Yeah.....thought so.