PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
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Re: Latest Varyag Pics
Did you note the difference between Carrier and CBG?
So the carrier could be the Varyag - it make no sense to paint the ship and to wait five years more .....
and there is - as I know - no other ship in chinese Yards, which could be used as carrier without the VARYAG.
So you postet this here - right?
At the other hand:
Did you note the difference between Carrier and CBG?
the carrier sould be tested and the crew should be trained before the carrier fleet will be complete; after that it needs some time to trainee the fleet.
So the carrier could be the Varyag - it make no sense to paint the ship and to wait five years more .....
and there is - as I know - no other ship in chinese Yards, which could be used as carrier without the VARYAG.
So you postet this here - right?
At the other hand:
and as I postet at http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=264 about the KIEW and MINSK:
the MINSK is for sale in an auction at 22 March this year ....
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Re: Latest Varyag Pics
Is such technology prohibited due to the EU/US-China arms embargo, or other export controls? I'm surprised that China couldn't ask Rolls Royce for a system - they're designing some for the Queen Elizabeth class after all. Or is it an issue of cost (difficult to believe given that their budget is well over $40-45 billion now)?
KYli said:
Is such technology prohibited due to the EU/US-China arms embargo, or other export controls? I'm surprised that China couldn't ask Rolls Royce for a system - they're designing some for the Queen Elizabeth class after all. Or is it an issue of cost (difficult to believe given that their budget is well over $40-45 billion now)?
Re: Latest Varyag Pics
Any military technology were prohibited due to the arm embargo, but lately China have been able to obtain many sensitive tech. So it could be done, just we don't know who will provide the engine. Or what other alternatives China have. Many people are saying that Varyag will set sail this year, but I am more conservertive. So anything between now and 2008 will be my guess.FuManChu said:
Re: Latest Varyag Pics
If Chins right now it's the world's third largest shipbuilding nation and rising. I don't see why it can't build engines for the Varyag...
After all it builds tankers
I'm thinking it's probably 2008 after the Olympics, I wouldn't be surprised if they name the ship Beijing
FuManChu said:
If Chins right now it's the world's third largest shipbuilding nation and rising. I don't see why it can't build engines for the Varyag...
After all it builds tankers
I'm thinking it's probably 2008 after the Olympics, I wouldn't be surprised if they name the ship Beijing
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Re: Latest Varyag Pics
in origianl Russian design call for steam engines very similar to those used on the old luda destroyer is design is not very safe but is high powreed and light weight the chinese could simply modify ludas engine fpr the ship.With steam engine its also possible to conevert the ship in to a catpualt equipeted carrier
is an experimmental carrier is all they want then disel engine is good enough alought more safewr and lower on fuel Plus widely avilible from commerical source
swimmerXC said:
in origianl Russian design call for steam engines very similar to those used on the old luda destroyer is design is not very safe but is high powreed and light weight the chinese could simply modify ludas engine fpr the ship.With steam engine its also possible to conevert the ship in to a catpualt equipeted carrier
is an experimmental carrier is all they want then disel engine is good enough alought more safewr and lower on fuel Plus widely avilible from commerical source
Re: Latest Varyag Pics
see http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=75&page=3 postet at 01-22-2006
=> diesels are speedy enough to power the Varyag
=> and Dalian Shipbyard have a lot experience and know how to work with
thats my opinion to:darth sidious said:
see http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=75&page=3 postet at 01-22-2006
=> diesels are speedy enough to power the Varyag
=> and Dalian Shipbyard have a lot experience and know how to work with
Re: Latest Varyag Pics
I posted this same opinion in the old forum. Could not find the link
That training CV/LPH or what type carrier the PLAN puts to see needs to have the same capablities as the actual combantant CV/LPH they send to sea. Desiel engines just can't provide the speed. On a ship that size I(not a naval engineer) would guess that those engines could not propell that ship over 22-25 knots for any extended period of time. The PLAN needs to train like they will fight a war.
Ha ha!! I found my old post. I stand by what I posted then and now. It is very intresting to read the old forum. Sometimes it's funny. I can see most of your post have matured over the last year or so..Outstanding.
Scezpan..somethings never change!!!
Sczepan said:
I posted this same opinion in the old forum. Could not find the link
That training CV/LPH or what type carrier the PLAN puts to see needs to have the same capablities as the actual combantant CV/LPH they send to sea. Desiel engines just can't provide the speed. On a ship that size I(not a naval engineer) would guess that those engines could not propell that ship over 22-25 knots for any extended period of time. The PLAN needs to train like they will fight a war.
Ha ha!! I found my old post. I stand by what I posted then and now. It is very intresting to read the old forum. Sometimes it's funny. I can see most of your post have matured over the last year or so..Outstanding.
Scezpan..somethings never change!!!
Re: Latest Varyag Pics
I wonder if China can put one of those pebble bed reactors into the carrier. Since it has already been speculated that it might be in 093, why not add the indigenous carrier in that list? Of course, cost is not an issue for pla as it would be for a normal civilian project.
I wonder if China can put one of those pebble bed reactors into the carrier. Since it has already been speculated that it might be in 093, why not add the indigenous carrier in that list? Of course, cost is not an issue for pla as it would be for a normal civilian project.
Re: Latest Varyag Pics
in one thing in changed my mind: there was a crane at the pier before the hull was moved in the dry dock (see pix), and so there was a way to install new engines - which one?
popeye, my 5 cents: diesels could give the Varyag a maxim approximate speed of >30 kn - and an oeconomical operating speed of > 25 kn; (and a speed of 25 kn is enough to operate helos)
but we will see what happened with the Varyag very soon - it makes no sense to paint the hull and wait for some more years;
painting is one of the last steps before sea trials will start, or before the hull become a casino ....
bd popeye said:
in one thing in changed my mind: there was a crane at the pier before the hull was moved in the dry dock (see pix), and so there was a way to install new engines - which one?
popeye, my 5 cents: diesels could give the Varyag a maxim approximate speed of >30 kn - and an oeconomical operating speed of > 25 kn;
(and a speed of 25 kn is enough to operate helos) but we will see what happened with the Varyag very soon - it makes no sense to paint the hull and wait for some more years;
painting is one of the last steps before sea trials will start, or before the hull become a casino ....