PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Good analysis, Jeff. Do you suppose Dalian assembled two different demo carrier bows, with and without ski ramp? Given the well-known limitations with ski ramp carriers, I wonder why PLAN wants another one.
Personally, I do not buy into the 1/3 size or whatever demo modules. They can build and analyze modules on the computer well enough to avoid the cost and time needed to build such models IMHO for it getting them to a decision point.

Given their ability to build the LPDs and completely refit the carrier, I think there is little doubt that their major naval shipyards are up to the task.

So then, why another STOBAR?

My opinion is that for all of the following reasons, they will build an improved Liaoning type carrier as their first indigenous carrier.

1) The Liaoning is what they know...and they know it well. It is the least risk and the least cost to get their own carrier built.

2) The cost of ownership of both the Liaoning and this new carrier are markedly less if they both operate similarly and use the same equipment. Training, maintenance, operations, all will benefit from the same logistical and policy/operations trains.

3) This allows them to continue training pilots, aircrews, deck chiefs, and continue operating both carriers with the J-15 as is, without having to redesign the front landing gear to withstand a cat launch.

4) It also gives them the ability to improve on the Liaoning as a STOBAR. Bigger hanger, smaller more efficient Island, etc.

5) Finally, it gives them an excellent opportunity to design Liaoning II with the ability to install cats at the waste position later if they so desire, so they can begin getting into the catapult operations in the future. In this way they could use the 2nd carrier (with all of the above mentioned benefits) as a stepping stone to CATOBAR too. So they design provisions for the cats into the deck and under structure of the new carrier so that later, those cats can be installed and operated when they deem it right.

Anyhow, for all of those reasons I believe such a step would be beneficial, logical, the least costly and the least risk .
 

Engineer

Major
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Personally, I do not buy into the 1/3 size or whatever demo modules. They can build and analyze modules on the computer well enough to avoid the cost and time needed to build such models IMHO for it getting them to a decision point.

Well, they built demo modules for the 056, a ship that is far more smaller and easier to build than an aircraft carrier. For the 056 and now the aircraft carrier, I believe they want to test out organization, specifically project management and quality assurance.
 

rhino123

Pencil Pusher
VIP Professional
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Well, they built demo modules for the 056, a ship that is far more smaller and easier to build than an aircraft carrier. For the 056 and now the aircraft carrier, I believe they want to test out organization, specifically project management and quality assurance.

Couldn't they already do it with Liaoning and before the refitting of Liaoning? With the 056, I believe they did it when before production of 056 started, but for the new carrier, they could fall back on Liaoning experiences.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Couldn't they already do it with Liaoning and before the refitting of Liaoning? With the 056, I believe they did it when before production of 056 started, but for the new carrier, they could fall back on Liaoning experiences.

Refitting and building a ship from scratch puts different operational strains on project management. Knowing the generally cautious approach to project management in China, I wouldn't be surprised if they built a mock-up just in case.
 

hardware

Banned Idiot
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Refitting and building a ship from scratch puts different operational strains on project management. Knowing the generally cautious approach to project management in China, I wouldn't be surprised if they built a mock-up just in case.

China unlike the US has no experience of building CV,therefore,you are right they decided to build a mock up,according to kanwa,several Ukrainian naval engineer were in shanghai ship yard to assist the construction.
 

blacklist

Junior Member
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

maybe those mockup can be refitted to become uav carrier or something in the future...


China unlike the US has no experience of building CV,therefore,you are right they decided to build a mock up,according to kanwa,several Ukrainian naval engineer were in shanghai ship yard to assist the construction.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

China unlike the US has no experience of building CV,therefore,you are right they decided to build a mock up,according to kanwa,several Ukrainian naval engineer were in shanghai ship yard to assist the construction.

Another BS news specially come from Kanwa the least trusted source for Chinese military information. I don't believe there will be any Ukrainian engineer. They were there when Dalian refurbished the ex Varyag. But by noe the Chinese know the Liaoning inside out. Come one all of those
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Let the guess games begin

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delft

Brigadier
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

No, SinoSoldier, your first photograph, from a few days ago, shows a large merchantman ( tanker ? ) in the dock. So no aircraft carrier is building there.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Let the guess games begin
Uh...what guessing game?

We have been discussing the 1st picture in detail for some time so there's really nothing new there.

And the 2nd picture?

That shows an old picture of the Liaoning before it was ever completed...so probably two years old, with some kind of vessel (probably a tanker or something) building next to it.

I don't understand the point.
 
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