PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Jeff Head

General
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Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Right on the heals of the Japanese launch of the Izumo on August 6, 2013, comes the Indian launch of the INS Vikrant on August 12, 2013.

More NESOS for sure!

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Times of India said:
August 8, 2013
Kochi, India

The launch of the Air Defence Ship, the largest military ship and first aircraft carrier to be built in India, in Kochi on Monday is a historic step. It not only sends out the right signals about India's ability to build such a complex naval platform, but also shows the country's growing capabilities in ship building. And most importantly, India's growing ambition to build a truly 'blue water' navy that can reach across the oceans to protect its interests-- be it minerals and commodities in Africa and Latin America or oil and gases from Middle East.

The indigenous aircraft carrier, first of the two being built under the Vikrant class, is expected to join the navy by 2018, by when INS Vikramaditya, the Russian aircraft carrier set to join service in a few months, would have become the focus of a powerful carrier battle group. The Vikrant class indigenous carrier would become the centrepiece of a second carrier battle group.

The 40,000 tonne ship takes India to a select club of countries that can build an aircraft carrier. The carrier is being built from indigenously produced high grade warship steel, made by the Steel Authority of India.

Besides the Russian MIG-29K fighters, the carrier could also end up having naval version of the indigenously made light combat aircraft (LCA) on board. The carrier would also have long range surface-to-air missiles (LRSAM) being developed by Israel, and other weapon systems.

She is looking better and better now. The Ski Jump is installed and it looks like the hull is pretty much done.
 

MwRYum

Major
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

there isn't. We don't get pictures of everything because Dalian shipyard is not that easy to take up close photos and also some people might be worried that they get put in jail. But if this stuff is for real, we will definitely see photos sooner rather than later.

More like, when they decided that it's time for the "controlled leak", if there's really one in the first place.

It ain't like religion that "don't ask question, just believe" so you guys have fun, while I hold down my hat and nuts amid this crazy wind.
 

kroko

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Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Dalian shipyard is not that easy to take up close photos and also some people might be worried that they get put in jail.

is it harder than Jiangnan shipyard to take photos? it doesnt really matter, i bet the US surveillance satelites take photos of the main chinese shiypards every day!
 

Jeff Head

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Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Here are some nice, newer, high resolution pictures of the new Japanese Carrier after she was launched and the tugs took her to her dock for further outfitting.

These are from an individual in Japan at the launch who had a very good high-def camera.


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As you can tell, the Izumo, DDH-183, is a very nice looking vessel...and will be a real asset and addition to the JMSDF. In 2-3 years, the seocnd carrier, DDH-184, will be luanched.

And then there is this CG for another comparative look at the size of the Izumo compared to a US Nimitz class and to the earlier JMSDF Hyuga carrier

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kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

is it harder than Jiangnan shipyard to take photos? it doesnt really matter, i bet the US surveillance satelites take photos of the main chinese shiypards every day!

I think TP was referring to average joes and wall climbers and not the likes of CIA.

Incidently I live in the city where the NGA is as well. I actually know a few folks who work there. I'm sure they have detail pictures of Dalian and Jiangnan. LOL but I'm not even going to ask.

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Engineer

Major
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

An aircraft leaves a ski ramp at a lower speed than it leaves a straight cat. Building an EM cat into a ski ramp makes the ramp smaller and the cat shorter thus saving a lot of deck real estate. You might be able to make a smaller carrier just as efficient as a big one and have more carriers than an other navy with the same total capability and the same costs but with more flexibility.

The very presence of a catapult would make a ski ramp redundant. The whole point of a ski ramp is to allow takeoffs without catapults. The whole point of catapults is to allow takeoffs on a flat deck. The two are mutually exclusive.

Here is another thing. A bigger carrier is more efficient, because the ship can carry more aircraft per ton of displacement. Keep in mind that a small carrier and a large carrier requires the similar amount of crew. A larger ship is also more fuel efficient per tonnage. So in the long one, having a large carrier is less costly than two small carriers. This is why size of oil tankers become bigger and bigger over the years.

There is another benefit to a bigger ship, and that is the bigger deck offers by a larger ship. This will provide plenty of space to park aircraft after a surge. This is important because when 40 aircraft are coming in for landings after a huge battle, there will be no time turn them around or move them into the hangar. The only thing left to do is to shove them to the front part of the deck to clear up the aft section for landings. Building a ski ramp when there is no need would be the same as dropping a heavy object onto your own foot.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

And then there is this CG for another comparative look at the size of the Izumo compared to a US Nimitz class and to the earlier JMSDF Hyuga carrier

22ddh-0015.jpg


Now that Jeff is a amazing comparison I was thinking about this the other day, this is to scale right?

Btw do you know what the 16 and 22 in the DDH means?
 

Jeff Head

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Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Now that Jeff is a amazing comparison I was thinking about this the other day, this is to scale right?

Btw do you know what the 16 and 22 in the DDH means?
Yes, those numbers derive from the Japanese calendar, specifically the 16th year and 22nd year of the Heisei reign (2004 and 2010), when the projects were funded and became official.

That's why they are proposing the 26DDH, which they would like to see funded in 2014. You see the same type project numbers given to destroyers as well.

...and yes, the vessels are to scale relative to one another.
 
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