PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Carrier Proliferation: 2012-1014

And talking about flat tops and not carriers then this can also include the two Mistral Class that are being built for the Russians, although no intention to use fixed wing for them they are still very capable flat tops with a good helo capability

Important part is they will be based in the far east where much of the carrier activity is focused, shame France cancelled its second carrier in its recent white paper issue

Re: Carrier Proliferation: 2012-1014

I believe Carriers (including JMSDF & ROKN Helicopter Carriers) will still be around for several years, as they provide Navies with mobility without need of bases. No need to fear cruise anti-carrier missiles - yet to prove their effectiveness, and besides counter cruise-missiles (although not revealed) would be in the arsenal of the major powers.

asif iqbal said:

And talking about flat tops and not carriers then this can also include the two Mistral Class that are being built for the Russians, although no intention to use fixed wing for them they are still very capable flat tops with a good helo capability

Important part is they will be based in the far east where much of the carrier activity is focused, shame France cancelled its second carrier in its recent white paper issue

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Re: Carrier Proliferation: 2012-1014

advill said:

I believe Carriers (including JMSDF & ROKN Helicopter Carriers) will still be around for several years, as they provide Navies with mobility without need of bases. No need to fear cruise anti-carrier missiles - yet to prove their effectiveness, and besides counter cruise-missiles (although not revealed) would be in the arsenal of the major powers.

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I believe you are correct...and the fact is that both of the carriers you mention (The Korean Dokdo which I did not include here because it was commissioned well over a year ago, and the new Japanese 22DDH carriers) will also be capable of embarking the F-35B JSF if they desire.

asif iqbal said:

And talking about flat tops and not carriers then this can also include the two Mistral Class that are being built for the Russians, although no intention to use fixed wing for them they are still very capable flat tops with a good helo capability

Important part is they will be based in the far east where much of the carrier activity is focused, shame France cancelled its second carrier in its recent white paper issue

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Good point Asif, I will add the 1st Russian Mistral below because it is well under construction and will probably be launched in the 2014 time frame.

Re: Aircraft Carriers II

asif iqbal said:

Each Chinese fleet may eventually have one or more carrier which means there might come a time when China has two carrier battle groups sailing in the oceans, this will then require two USN carrier strike group commitments and alot more resources going into shadowing and monitoring these tasks forces

That is where the two new Queen Elizbateh carriers come in, with two carriers assisting from the Royal Navy this would compliment the USN...

Having a one Queen Elizabeth carrier and a French carrier in the Persian Gulf or maybe even two Queen Elizabeth carriers on a "surge" would mean 5th fleet would have a extra helping hand freeing up resources for the Pacific Pivot

This is why I think the two Royal Navy carriers will be extremely busy when they are commissioned, doing duties all over the world proving thier worth.

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I believe that is exactly what is going to come about over the next 15+ years.

The US already has two CVNs deployed into the Pacific (Japan and Hawaii) and two more on the west coast (San Diego and Bremerton).

The new Japanese and Australian vessels will also help, particularly if they ultimately carry F-35Bs.

The Indian carriers are going to figure in as well with their "Looking East," strategy which is their version of the Pacific Pivot.

So, all in all, there are going to be enough assets to keep tabs...just as the PLAN will be using their own assets to keep tabs on the others.

Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Franklin said:

There is another picture here of the Vikramaditya launching a missile of some kind.

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It could be this :



or this :

Re: 2013 China Russia Joint Naval Training

asif iqbal said:

they get around the constitution by changing the terminology, like they say 22DDH is a helicopter destroyer, yet its clear its a light aircraft carrier

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It is not . It has much smaller displacement then Kiev class or Wasp class (almost double) , relatively small crew and provisions to carry troops but not much place for F-35B in hangar or even on the deck if it carry helicopters . In fact , JMSDF officially or semiofficialy never mentioned possibility to use 22DDH as aircraft carrier .

Re: 2013 China Russia Joint Naval Training

thunderchief said:

It is not . It has much smaller displacement then Kiev class or Wasp class (almost double) , relatively small crew and provisions to carry troops but not much place for F-35B in hangar or even on the deck if it carry helicopters . In fact , JMSDF officially or semiofficialy never mentioned possibility to use 22DDH as aircraft carrier .

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It can certainly be a light carrier. No doubt about it. When they moved the large elevator to the side, and removed the CIWS from the bow flight deck, and increased the flight deck and hanger deck size considerably over the Hyuga, they punctuated that fact.

It will be larger than the Invincible, Principe Austrias or Gibraldi.

It is 27,000 tons and 820 ft long and 125 ft wide. The hanger is over 500 ft long and almost 100 ft wide.

By comparison other light carriers look like this:

The UK Invincible class is 20,3000 tons and 695 ft long and 118 ft wide with a hanger 480 ft long and 70 ft wide.
The Spanish Principe de Austrias is 17,000 tons and 640 ft long and 104 ft wide.
The Italian Garibldi is 13,000 tons and 590 ft long and 108 ft wide.

The closest in size to the the 22DDH and is the new Italian Cavour carrier, which is clearly going to be an effective light carrier.

It is 26,000 tons, 800 ft long, and 128 ft wide.

If the Japanese put F-35Bs on the 22DDH carriers, they too will be, without question, effective light carriers.

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

MIGleader said:

exe, you pic is a red x.

the japanese built the I-400 class subs in ww2. they were huge subs, with dozend of torpedoes and guns. they could also carry three aichi seran torpedo bombers in their special hanger. the japs built four of these and planned to use it on a sneak attack on panama canal. but the subs got deverted to okinawa instead.

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did they also used these subs as trade subs with germany?

Re: V/STOL Air Craft Carrier

adeptitus said:

I think these days you don't really need to put a plane on a sub, when you have sub-launched stand off weapons like land-attack cruise missiles.

For other purposes, you could launch UAV's from a sub to do recon duties. The UAV's are smaller and prolly easier to operate from a submarine.

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Agreed

Re: Aircraft Carriers

navyreco said:

US Navy launches official Request for Information (RFI) for F/A-XX strike fighter

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is it chinese?