PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

The reason a USN CV is lightly armed is that her aircraft are her main armament. You can't be firing off missile etc and conducting flight operation. It just does not work well. That's why the USN has escorts with it's CVNs. They form the Carrier Strike Group...CSG.

An USN CSG consist of

1) 1 CVN
2) 1 Ticonderoga class CG
3) 2 or 3 Arleigh Burke class DDGs
4) 1 Los Angeles class SSN
5) 1 Supply class T-AOE or one Lewis & Clark class T-AKE
+ one Henry J. Kaiser Class T-AO (fleet oiler)

The USS George Washington (CVN-73) CSG has the ablity to operate with as many as nine Aegis equipped DDGs & CGs.

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Yes, what u have stated is very true. However China didn't have that much warships or warships that have the capability like US Aegis DDG and CG. And so it might be very difficult or would require more warships as escort to achieve what the US has now.

So I am wondering if the carrier had the capability to protect herself with missiles and also with their aircraft, wouldn't it cut down on the number of ships needed to protect her. I am not saying that there should not have any escorts ship, but they doesn't need to have huge number of escort.

What I am seeing is, Chinese carriers launching her aircrafts for the furthest circle of defense, then herself, together with her escort providing the intermediate and close range defence against targets who get too close.

The carrier do not need to conduct flight operation and firing off missiles all at once. Because I would expect that the aircraft might need to be launched first.

(At least that is the theory, the actual tactic is more complicated.)

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

The reason a USN CV is lightly armed is that her aircraft are her main armament. You can't be firing off missile etc and conducting flight operation. It just does not work well. That's why the USN has escorts with it's CVNs. They form the Carrier Strike Group...CSG.

An USN CSG consist of

1) 1 CVN
2) 1 Ticonderoga class CG
3) 2 or 3 Arleigh Burke class DDGs
4) 1 Los Angeles class SSN
5) 1 Supply class T-AOE or one Lewis & Clark class T-AKE
+ one Henry J. Kaiser Class T-AO (fleet oiler)

The USS George Washington (CVN-73) CSG has the ablity to operate with as many as nine Aegis equipped DDGs & CGs.

Click to expand...

Yes, what u have stated is very true. However China didn't have that much warships or warships that have the capability like US Aegis DDG and CG. And so it might be very difficult or would require more warships as escort to achieve what the US has now.

So I am wondering if the carrier had the capability to protect herself with missiles and also with their aircraft, wouldn't it cut down on the number of ships needed to protect her. I am not saying that there should not have any escorts ship, but they doesn't need to have huge number of escort.

What I am seeing is, Chinese carriers launching her aircrafts for the furthest circle of defense, then herself, together with her escort providing the intermediate and close range defence against targets who get too close.

The carrier do not need to conduct flight operation and firing off missiles all at once. Because I would expect that the aircraft might need to be launched first.

(At least that is the theory, the actual tactic is more complicated.)

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

The reason a USN CV is lightly armed is that her aircraft are her main armament. You can't be firing off missile etc and conducting flight operation. It just does not work well. That's why the USN has escorts with it's CVNs. They form the Carrier Strike Group...CSG.

An USN CSG consist of

1) 1 CVN
2) 1 Ticonderoga class CG
3) 2 or 3 Arleigh Burke class DDGs
4) 1 Los Angeles class SSN
5) 1 Supply class T-AOE or one Lewis & Clark class T-AKE
+ one Henry J. Kaiser Class T-AO (fleet oiler)

The USS George Washington (CVN-73) CSG has the ablity to operate with as many as nine Aegis equipped DDGs & CGs.

Click to expand...

Yes, what u have stated is very true. However China didn't have that much warships or warships that have the capability like US Aegis DDG and CG. And so it might be very difficult or would require more warships as escort to achieve what the US has now.

So I am wondering if the carrier had the capability to protect herself with missiles and also with their aircraft, wouldn't it cut down on the number of ships needed to protect her. I am not saying that there should not have any escorts ship, but they doesn't need to have huge number of escort.

What I am seeing is, Chinese carriers launching her aircrafts for the furthest circle of defense, then herself, together with her escort providing the intermediate and close range defence against targets who get too close.

The carrier do not need to conduct flight operation and firing off missiles all at once. Because I would expect that the aircraft might need to be launched first.

(At least that is the theory, the actual tactic is more complicated.)

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

rhino123 said:

From the look and mindset of many fanboys, I believe the checkerboard opening are some propulsion systems for the ship.

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from the image with labels, the chinese label seems to indicate there are amphibious equipment stored at the back, possibly behind the checkerboard "doors"...

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

rhino123 said:

From the look and mindset of many fanboys, I believe the checkerboard opening are some propulsion systems for the ship.

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from the image with labels, the chinese label seems to indicate there are amphibious equipment stored at the back, possibly behind the checkerboard "doors"...

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

rhino123 said:

From the look and mindset of many fanboys, I believe the checkerboard opening are some propulsion systems for the ship.

Click to expand...

from the image with labels, the chinese label seems to indicate there are amphibious equipment stored at the back, possibly behind the checkerboard "doors"...

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

What I am seeing is, Chinese carriers launching her aircrafts for the furthest circle of defense, then herself, together with her escort providing the intermediate and close range defence against targets who get too close.

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When using a ski ramp the range of those aircraft is limited because they cannot launch with a full fuel tank. So while the CV and it's escort are fighting and those aircraft start running out of fuel what shall they do? Will China have a tanker standing by? Tankers are not practical with a ski ramp because they just can't launch. Too heavy. So what shall the PLAN do? I think that eventually they shall have more escorts.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

What I am seeing is, Chinese carriers launching her aircrafts for the furthest circle of defense, then herself, together with her escort providing the intermediate and close range defence against targets who get too close.

Click to expand...

When using a ski ramp the range of those aircraft is limited because they cannot launch with a full fuel tank. So while the CV and it's escort are fighting and those aircraft start running out of fuel what shall they do? Will China have a tanker standing by? Tankers are not practical with a ski ramp because they just can't launch. Too heavy. So what shall the PLAN do? I think that eventually they shall have more escorts.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

What I am seeing is, Chinese carriers launching her aircrafts for the furthest circle of defense, then herself, together with her escort providing the intermediate and close range defence against targets who get too close.

Click to expand...

When using a ski ramp the range of those aircraft is limited because they cannot launch with a full fuel tank. So while the CV and it's escort are fighting and those aircraft start running out of fuel what shall they do? Will China have a tanker standing by? Tankers are not practical with a ski ramp because they just can't launch. Too heavy. So what shall the PLAN do? I think that eventually they shall have more escorts.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

When using a ski ramp the range of those aircraft is limited because they cannot launch with a full fuel tank. So while the CV and it's escort are fighting and those aircraft start running out of fuel what shall they do? Will China have a tanker standing by? Tankers are not practical with a ski ramp because they just can't launch. Too heavy. So what shall the PLAN do? I think that eventually they shall have more escorts.

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thats one of the reasons to prefer carriers with cats, the so called "ski jump" could be enough for trainee-carriers, but these kind of carriers ar not really usefull in a real conflict.
Better two small carriers with catapult (to change in patroll and in a real conflict, if one of them is sinking, the other one could be used) as one "ski jump" carrier with limited hangar space ....