PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Pointblank said:

If only the USN could remember the lesson of aluminum and ships on fire....

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ffThat's very insulting and off topic. Have you ever served a single day in the USN? If so you would know all the steps and measures that the USN has taken in fire prevention. Most of the USN lessons about aluminum came from the 1987 Iraqi attack on the USS Stark FFG-31.



1) Since the time I served from '71-'91 everyone in the USN is a trained fire fighter. From boot camp seaman recruit to the CNO ADM. Gary Roughead.

2) Navy wide smoking is very limited on board USN ships. On LCS-2 smoking is not permitted at all.

3) Numerous new fire fighting systems have been installed or upgraded throughout the USN fleet.

4) The USN went so far as to outlaw tailored polyester uniforms and coraframs shoes from sea duty to protect sailors from fire. Those items will laminate to your skin when set on fire.

There's plenty more..But I shall leave the subject closed.ff

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Pointblank said:

If only the USN could remember the lesson of aluminum and ships on fire....

Click to expand...

ffThat's very insulting and off topic. Have you ever served a single day in the USN? If so you would know all the steps and measures that the USN has taken in fire prevention. Most of the USN lessons about aluminum came from the 1987 Iraqi attack on the USS Stark FFG-31.



1) Since the time I served from '71-'91 everyone in the USN is a trained fire fighter. From boot camp seaman recruit to the CNO ADM. Gary Roughead.

2) Navy wide smoking is very limited on board USN ships. On LCS-2 smoking is not permitted at all.

3) Numerous new fire fighting systems have been installed or upgraded throughout the USN fleet.

4) The USN went so far as to outlaw tailored polyester uniforms and coraframs shoes from sea duty to protect sailors from fire. Those items will laminate to your skin when set on fire.

There's plenty more..But I shall leave the subject closed.ff

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

exactly, the lessons seem to be in damage control, not material. Fire hazards should not be trivialised, but equally it's a multi-faceted debate and ship design is a compromise. Take the next-generation RN carriers, they like HMS Ocean already will be built to 'civilian' standards. Imagine how much cheaper the USN carrier program would be if those were built to civilian standards? I know a lot of people will, with varying degrees of objectivity, justify US carrier spending and why the latest CVNs are still around 90,000 tons even though air-wings are shrinking etc etc.


In the 'ideal' carrier equation for PLAN, as I see it, I think there are multiple tiers of carriers with cheaper/lighter carriers like my concept to allow rapid expansion of the fleet. Two cheaper carriers is better than 1 more expensive one IMO.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

exactly, the lessons seem to be in damage control, not material. Fire hazards should not be trivialised, but equally it's a multi-faceted debate and ship design is a compromise. Take the next-generation RN carriers, they like HMS Ocean already will be built to 'civilian' standards. Imagine how much cheaper the USN carrier program would be if those were built to civilian standards? I know a lot of people will, with varying degrees of objectivity, justify US carrier spending and why the latest CVNs are still around 90,000 tons even though air-wings are shrinking etc etc.


In the 'ideal' carrier equation for PLAN, as I see it, I think there are multiple tiers of carriers with cheaper/lighter carriers like my concept to allow rapid expansion of the fleet. Two cheaper carriers is better than 1 more expensive one IMO.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

exactly, the lessons seem to be in damage control, not material. Fire hazards should not be trivialised, but equally it's a multi-faceted debate and ship design is a compromise. Take the next-generation RN carriers, they like HMS Ocean already will be built to 'civilian' standards. Imagine how much cheaper the USN carrier program would be if those were built to civilian standards? I know a lot of people will, with varying degrees of objectivity, justify US carrier spending and why the latest CVNs are still around 90,000 tons even though air-wings are shrinking etc etc.


In the 'ideal' carrier equation for PLAN, as I see it, I think there are multiple tiers of carriers with cheaper/lighter carriers like my concept to allow rapid expansion of the fleet. Two cheaper carriers is better than 1 more expensive one IMO.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Imagine how much cheaper the USN carrier program would be if those were built to civilian standards?

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As we all know this will never happen. But as conjecture.. If the USN built CVN to Civvie standards they could build probaly three CVs not CVN's with the $7 billion it cost to float one CVN...

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Imagine how much cheaper the USN carrier program would be if those were built to civilian standards?

Click to expand...

As we all know this will never happen. But as conjecture.. If the USN built CVN to Civvie standards they could build probaly three CVs not CVN's with the $7 billion it cost to float one CVN...

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Imagine how much cheaper the USN carrier program would be if those were built to civilian standards?

Click to expand...

As we all know this will never happen. But as conjecture.. If the USN built CVN to Civvie standards they could build probaly three CVs not CVN's with the $7 billion it cost to float one CVN...

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Check these designs I found at sina.com.cn...

Look at that bridge. Trust me it would be very noisy during flight operations. And those catapults on the starboard(right side) Jeez... The person that designed this flight deck layout has NO IDEA how flight deck operations are conducted. NONE!







AS for this second design? WTH? If an aircraft misses the wires is it suppose to fly through the hangar? Not a good idea. That is a recipe for disaster.









I have no clue what is installed on the stern???

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Check these designs I found at sina.com.cn...

Look at that bridge. Trust me it would be very noisy during flight operations. And those catapults on the starboard(right side) Jeez... The person that designed this flight deck layout has NO IDEA how flight deck operations are conducted. NONE!







AS for this second design? WTH? If an aircraft misses the wires is it suppose to fly through the hangar? Not a good idea. That is a recipe for disaster.









I have no clue what is installed on the stern???