PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Future PLAN Carrier Borne Aircraft

report that a electromagnet catapault has successfully tested.there's no detail.but few years ago US intelligent claim that China is testing electro magnet catapault for aircraft carrier.
USN gerald ford will feature electro magnet catapault.

Re: Future PLAN Carrier Borne Aircraft

report that a electromagnet catapault has successfully

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Really? Because the USN is still testing theirs. Can you provide a link for that story or did you read that in another forum? Thanks!

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

I'm having a bit of a chuckle at some here who think a big maritime patrol plane can do the job of shipboard helicopters for ASW. Both have their vitrues, but neither is the replacement for the other.
Big maritime patrol planes can patrol large areas of ocean identifying potential enemy subs, but it cannot be everywhere at once. Nor can it sit right on an enemy sub and drop torpedos on this sub while a partner helo pings it with a dipping sonar. The patrol plane cannot necessarily be on the spot if a datum emerges inside a group of ships.
Helos by comparison can be brought along with a surface force, and used properly make it very hard for an enemy sub to penetrate a surface force. A pair of helos equipped with dipping sonars are the most dangerous thing a submarine can face. Most often, in exercises at least, if the helo crews know their craft the sub cannot escape. The helos can take turns dipping their sonars, pinging the sub, while the other helo tries to get closer to deploy it's own sonar. Two helos can leapfrog an enemy sub until one is practically on top hammering it with it's sonar while it's partner launches it's torpedos nearby. No maritime patrol aircraft can tie a sub down so effectively. No maritime patrol aircraft has the availability as ASW helos operating with a surface force.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

I'm having a bit of a chuckle at some here who think a big maritime patrol plane can do the job of shipboard helicopters for ASW. Both have their vitrues, but neither is the replacement for the other.
Big maritime patrol planes can patrol large areas of ocean identifying potential enemy subs, but it cannot be everywhere at once. Nor can it sit right on an enemy sub and drop torpedos on this sub while a partner helo pings it with a dipping sonar. The patrol plane cannot necessarily be on the spot if a datum emerges inside a group of ships.
Helos by comparison can be brought along with a surface force, and used properly make it very hard for an enemy sub to penetrate a surface force. A pair of helos equipped with dipping sonars are the most dangerous thing a submarine can face. Most often, in exercises at least, if the helo crews know their craft the sub cannot escape. The helos can take turns dipping their sonars, pinging the sub, while the other helo tries to get closer to deploy it's own sonar. Two helos can leapfrog an enemy sub until one is practically on top hammering it with it's sonar while it's partner launches it's torpedos nearby. No maritime patrol aircraft can tie a sub down so effectively. No maritime patrol aircraft has the availability as ASW helos operating with a surface force.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

I'm having a bit of a chuckle at some here who think a big maritime patrol plane can do the job of shipboard helicopters for ASW. Both have their vitrues, but neither is the replacement for the other.
Big maritime patrol planes can patrol large areas of ocean identifying potential enemy subs, but it cannot be everywhere at once. Nor can it sit right on an enemy sub and drop torpedos on this sub while a partner helo pings it with a dipping sonar. The patrol plane cannot necessarily be on the spot if a datum emerges inside a group of ships.
Helos by comparison can be brought along with a surface force, and used properly make it very hard for an enemy sub to penetrate a surface force. A pair of helos equipped with dipping sonars are the most dangerous thing a submarine can face. Most often, in exercises at least, if the helo crews know their craft the sub cannot escape. The helos can take turns dipping their sonars, pinging the sub, while the other helo tries to get closer to deploy it's own sonar. Two helos can leapfrog an enemy sub until one is practically on top hammering it with it's sonar while it's partner launches it's torpedos nearby. No maritime patrol aircraft can tie a sub down so effectively. No maritime patrol aircraft has the availability as ASW helos operating with a surface force.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

A pair of helos equipped with dipping sonars are the most dangerous thing a submarine can face.

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I don't doubt what you say about ASW helos. At all.

But an LA class sub is the greatest danger to any sub. That's what they do.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

A pair of helos equipped with dipping sonars are the most dangerous thing a submarine can face.

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I don't doubt what you say about ASW helos. At all.

But an LA class sub is the greatest danger to any sub. That's what they do.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

A pair of helos equipped with dipping sonars are the most dangerous thing a submarine can face.

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I don't doubt what you say about ASW helos. At all.

But an LA class sub is the greatest danger to any sub. That's what they do.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

I don't doubt what you say about ASW helos. At all.

But an LA class sub is the greatest danger to any sub. That's what they do.

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A good attack sub on your case will ruin your whole day...especially an ADCAP LA...but even more so a Sea Wolf or Virginia.

Having said that, another sub does have at least some chance or prayer of countering, egressing away from, and maybe even firing on another sub that is hunting it.

If a couple of helos are hunting you after having found you...there is absolutely nothing you can do about it except go deep and totally quiet and hope they either lose you or have to leave as a result of fuel concerns.

Any sub has a lot less options against a couple of ASW helos once they have found you.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

I don't doubt what you say about ASW helos. At all.

But an LA class sub is the greatest danger to any sub. That's what they do.

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A good attack sub on your case will ruin your whole day...especially an ADCAP LA...but even more so a Sea Wolf or Virginia.

Having said that, another sub does have at least some chance or prayer of countering, egressing away from, and maybe even firing on another sub that is hunting it.

If a couple of helos are hunting you after having found you...there is absolutely nothing you can do about it except go deep and totally quiet and hope they either lose you or have to leave as a result of fuel concerns.

Any sub has a lot less options against a couple of ASW helos once they have found you.