PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

nice idea, but in my impression there is not enough distance between the island and the landing planes - this is a little bit dangerous by rolling and stamping ships; you should move the island more to the middle of your concept :china:

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

nice idea, but in my impression there is not enough distance between the island and the landing planes - this is a little bit dangerous by rolling and stamping ships; you should move the island more to the middle of your concept :china:

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

note no parking at bow, I can't see how that is efficient

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Excellent job on the flight deck planeman. Excellent design. With the size airwing you stated you may not need room on the bow to spot(park) aircraft.

nice idea, but in my impression there is not enough distance between the island and the landing planes - this is a little bit dangerous by rolling and stamping ships; you should move the island more to the middle of your concept

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I disagree. His island will be fine just where it is. On the newly designed CVN-78 the island is about in the same position. It will no intfere with air-operations. In my years at sea I never heard of, witnessed, or had any knowledge of an aircraft crashing into the island.

Interesting feature is that powerplant is COGAG with all-electric drive. So below waterline is mainly for fuels, whereas the engines and generators are actually on the hanger-deck level (!) exhausting between the hulls to reduce IR signiture.

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Intresting. Not sure how that would work. There may be a safety hazzard having those generators in the hangar. I'm not sure. Maybe Obi wan has an idea..

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

note no parking at bow, I can't see how that is efficient

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Excellent job on the flight deck planeman. Excellent design. With the size airwing you stated you may not need room on the bow to spot(park) aircraft.

nice idea, but in my impression there is not enough distance between the island and the landing planes - this is a little bit dangerous by rolling and stamping ships; you should move the island more to the middle of your concept

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I disagree. His island will be fine just where it is. On the newly designed CVN-78 the island is about in the same position. It will no intfere with air-operations. In my years at sea I never heard of, witnessed, or had any knowledge of an aircraft crashing into the island.

Interesting feature is that powerplant is COGAG with all-electric drive. So below waterline is mainly for fuels, whereas the engines and generators are actually on the hanger-deck level (!) exhausting between the hulls to reduce IR signiture.

Click to expand...

Intresting. Not sure how that would work. There may be a safety hazzard having those generators in the hangar. I'm not sure. Maybe Obi wan has an idea..

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

note no parking at bow, I can't see how that is efficient

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Excellent job on the flight deck planeman. Excellent design. With the size airwing you stated you may not need room on the bow to spot(park) aircraft.

nice idea, but in my impression there is not enough distance between the island and the landing planes - this is a little bit dangerous by rolling and stamping ships; you should move the island more to the middle of your concept

Click to expand...

I disagree. His island will be fine just where it is. On the newly designed CVN-78 the island is about in the same position. It will no intfere with air-operations. In my years at sea I never heard of, witnessed, or had any knowledge of an aircraft crashing into the island.

Interesting feature is that powerplant is COGAG with all-electric drive. So below waterline is mainly for fuels, whereas the engines and generators are actually on the hanger-deck level (!) exhausting between the hulls to reduce IR signiture.

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Intresting. Not sure how that would work. There may be a safety hazzard having those generators in the hangar. I'm not sure. Maybe Obi wan has an idea..

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

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I disagree. His island will be fine just where it is. On the newly designed CVN-78 the island is about in the same position. It will no intfere with air-operations. In my years at sea I never heard of, witnessed, or had any knowledge of an aircraft crashing into the island.
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wait a moment: the CVN-78 is much bigger than planemans concept. USS Gerald R. Ford has a lengh of 333 m and is about 40 m wide !

The "same position" is only relative - not in real distances.

Now compare the wingspan of the J-10s in planemans concept.

In planemans concept you will have max. 10 meters distance from the middleline of the landing runway to the Island. Thats not enough safe distance as I think.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

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I disagree. His island will be fine just where it is. On the newly designed CVN-78 the island is about in the same position. It will no intfere with air-operations. In my years at sea I never heard of, witnessed, or had any knowledge of an aircraft crashing into the island.
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wait a moment: the CVN-78 is much bigger than planemans concept. USS Gerald R. Ford has a lengh of 333 m and is about 40 m wide !

The "same position" is only relative - not in real distances.

Now compare the wingspan of the J-10s in planemans concept.

In planemans concept you will have max. 10 meters distance from the middleline of the landing runway to the Island. Thats not enough safe distance as I think.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:

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I disagree. His island will be fine just where it is. On the newly designed CVN-78 the island is about in the same position. It will no intfere with air-operations. In my years at sea I never heard of, witnessed, or had any knowledge of an aircraft crashing into the island.
...

Click to expand...

wait a moment: the CVN-78 is much bigger than planemans concept. USS Gerald R. Ford has a lengh of 333 m and is about 40 m wide !

The "same position" is only relative - not in real distances.

Now compare the wingspan of the J-10s in planemans concept.

In planemans concept you will have max. 10 meters distance from the middleline of the landing runway to the Island. Thats not enough safe distance as I think.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Yeah it's only about 12-15m from the landing strip centre to the tower. Agree that a larger margin might be prudent. Moving it 5m forward and narrower will reduce forward jet parking by one aircraft but might be an idea.

Also, re the engines. When I say on hanger deck, I don't mean in the hanger, just on the same level. The engines would be at extreme forward end of outriggers. 3 or 4 turbines. The engines would be aligned across-ship so that generators are over central hull (generator is heavier than the engine?). A smaller diesel would provide in-port power.

Not sure how modern catapults could work but if steam is required then the boilers could be heated by the exhausts of the jets similar to the COGAS idea used on some ships (and suggested as an upgrade on COGAG ships like the Al'Bs. This essentially 'recycles' the heat from the jet engines.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Yeah it's only about 12-15m from the landing strip centre to the tower. Agree that a larger margin might be prudent. Moving it 5m forward and narrower will reduce forward jet parking by one aircraft but might be an idea.

Also, re the engines. When I say on hanger deck, I don't mean in the hanger, just on the same level. The engines would be at extreme forward end of outriggers. 3 or 4 turbines. The engines would be aligned across-ship so that generators are over central hull (generator is heavier than the engine?). A smaller diesel would provide in-port power.

Not sure how modern catapults could work but if steam is required then the boilers could be heated by the exhausts of the jets similar to the COGAS idea used on some ships (and suggested as an upgrade on COGAG ships like the Al'Bs. This essentially 'recycles' the heat from the jet engines.