PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Scratch

Captain
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

To scratch, nice drawings:)

But if you master the catabult, then why just fitting it to the angled deck in the first version instead of fitting it to the bow as well? STOBAR provides no advantages towards CATOBAR other than the fact that you don't have to use the complicated catabult (with the benefit for great penalty to aircraft operations). So if in your design the catabult is already fitted, why limiting the ships aircapability with forcing the main combat aircraft use decreased playloads to get off from the skijump?

Well, the idea was that they perhaps want to build a carrier for experiance/ training/ ideological purposes without having mastered the cat tech to a sufficient degree to rely completely on it.
Things like they can't produce enough steam or electricity to operate four cats while still making sufficient headway. Or the reliability is poor, so it won't work every time when needed.
So, I could have made two cats on the angled deck. AEW planes or Su-33 in strike roles could use the cats, while A-A/ CAP fighters take off the skyjump.
That's a way to speed up air-ops when you can only operate two cats anyway or to have an emergency reserve in case the cats won't work properly.
 

Gollevainen

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Well your reasonings makes sense and in fact I've always appriciated in these "what-ifs" is the hint of realism. Your solution would quite well come ahead if china would have it's first own build carrier based on Varyag...
 

Gollevainen

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Well your reasonings makes sense and in fact I've always appriciated in these "what-ifs" is the hint of realism. Your solution would quite well come ahead if china would have it's first own build carrier based on Varyag...
 

Gollevainen

Colonel
VIP Professional
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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Well your reasonings makes sense and in fact I've always appriciated in these "what-ifs" is the hint of realism. Your solution would quite well come ahead if china would have it's first own build carrier based on Varyag...
 

Scratch

Captain
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Your solution would quite well come ahead if china would have it's first own build carrier based on Varyag...

That's the difficult point here, I assumed so without really being sure. Well, I don't know chinese reasoning or even generall ship engeneering well enough to make a final decision.
I mean walking the path to a modern CV doesn't neccessarily inculde buildign a skyjump CV, right? If I'm correct neither the US nor France ever built one.
Now China could either copy Varyag (lower risk) and see if it's own industry is mature enough, or design a CATOBAR from start, were they have no referance at their disposal.
 

Scratch

Captain
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Your solution would quite well come ahead if china would have it's first own build carrier based on Varyag...

That's the difficult point here, I assumed so without really being sure. Well, I don't know chinese reasoning or even generall ship engeneering well enough to make a final decision.
I mean walking the path to a modern CV doesn't neccessarily inculde buildign a skyjump CV, right? If I'm correct neither the US nor France ever built one.
Now China could either copy Varyag (lower risk) and see if it's own industry is mature enough, or design a CATOBAR from start, were they have no referance at their disposal.
 

Scratch

Captain
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Your solution would quite well come ahead if china would have it's first own build carrier based on Varyag...

That's the difficult point here, I assumed so without really being sure. Well, I don't know chinese reasoning or even generall ship engeneering well enough to make a final decision.
I mean walking the path to a modern CV doesn't neccessarily inculde buildign a skyjump CV, right? If I'm correct neither the US nor France ever built one.
Now China could either copy Varyag (lower risk) and see if it's own industry is mature enough, or design a CATOBAR from start, were they have no referance at their disposal.
 

challenge

Banned Idiot
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

the idea of PLAN constructing super carrier simple make no political sense,not only maintaining large super carrier (or carrier battle group)is extreme expensive, second China has no global or even regional ambition (as some rightwing nut in the US try to prove).
PLAN may have looking for 40,000~50,000 ton CV for active defense rather than global reach.
 

challenge

Banned Idiot
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

the idea of PLAN constructing super carrier simple make no political sense,not only maintaining large super carrier (or carrier battle group)is extreme expensive, second China has no global or even regional ambition (as some rightwing nut in the US try to prove).
PLAN may have looking for 40,000~50,000 ton CV for active defense rather than global reach.
 

challenge

Banned Idiot
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

the idea of PLAN constructing super carrier simple make no political sense,not only maintaining large super carrier (or carrier battle group)is extreme expensive, second China has no global or even regional ambition (as some rightwing nut in the US try to prove).
PLAN may have looking for 40,000~50,000 ton CV for active defense rather than global reach.
 
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