SinoSoldier
Colonel
B-611MR had a similar maneuvering capability, though, and it's certainly not an HGV. Although HGV would likely make a far superior anti-ship weapon than a conventional would.
PLAN Anti-ship/surface missiles
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B-611MR had a similar maneuvering capability, though, and it's certainly not an HGV. Although HGV would likely make a far superior anti-ship weapon than a conventional would.
I should have been more specific, as I was referring to HGV vs air-breathing missile. The B611 is a ballistic missile with a maneuvering warhead, which is not significantly different compared to an HGV.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
Did you edit the YJ-12 wiki? The article isn't 5 hours old and the wiki already references it. People work fast.
295 nautical miles is quite a bit of distance, playing around with this () map by plonking down circles of radius 295nm around the Spratly reefs is quite eye opening - those missiles can hold quite a large area under threat.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
Wiki? No, it's the most inaccurate source for all things PLA.
Maneuvers and such might decrease the range a bit, so it's not as simple as drawing a 550 km radius circle.
This is definitively wrong, just on the face of it. A missile with a range against aircraft of 300km will have a significantly lower range against cruise missiles, whether due to limitations in tracking radars or higher fuel burn due to more course corrections against smaller targets, or a combination. This also leads me to be somewhat skeptical about the stated range of the HQ-9B as 160nm/300km given the lack of the author's understanding of missile ranges, as it would seem to represent a more than doubling of the previous iteration's range.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
I don't think that the grouping of the target types really indicates anything since we're getting this from a secondary (or even tertiary) source. The reporter could've been told that the missile has a range of XXX and that it was designed to engage XYZ.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
SinoSoldier
Colonel
About time. I can envision them building multiple variants, as they did with the YJ-18:
- Air-launched variant for H-6K, J-15, and J-XY
- Surface-launched variant for 052D & 055
- Submarine-launched variant for 09III and 09V
- Shore-launched variant
- Land-attack cruise missile variants, launched from the sea, air, & land
In BBS there has been discussions about how to improve upon the LRASM concept and maybe even delete its only vulnerability, which is its subsonic terminal stage approach where its stealth is less effective against FLIR and optical targeting.
Many think the best way is to make a stealth YJ-18/Klub with supersonic terminal stage. But one difficulty here is that stealth-shaping and supersonic speeds are often in conflict with each other. One good idea that has been floated around is a stealthy drop-tank plus subsonic turbojet engine stage that encases the entire supersonic terminal stage, which is more conventionally shaped. When the stealth missile has reached the visual range of the target, the entire stealth stage will be discarded like drop tanks on a plane and the rocket boosted penetrator in the center released.
One problem I see with this concept would be that one has to duplicate the seekers, one for the stealth case and one for the penetrator, which would make it quite heavy and may impact range/limit launch platform options.
What do you guys think? Do you have any better ideas of how to make a stealth missile with supersonic terminal stage?
In any case, I hope that CASIC will not only make a single stealth missile that is compatible for newer platforms, but also makes a cheaper stealth missile that can replace the YJ-83 without modification for the surface combattants. Ideally, the same cannisters (or at least same sized) should be used.
Many think the best way is to make a stealth YJ-18/Klub with supersonic terminal stage. But one difficulty here is that stealth-shaping and supersonic speeds are often in conflict with each other. One good idea that has been floated around is a stealthy drop-tank plus subsonic turbojet engine stage that encases the entire supersonic terminal stage, which is more conventionally shaped. When the stealth missile has reached the visual range of the target, the entire stealth stage will be discarded like drop tanks on a plane and the rocket boosted penetrator in the center released.
One problem I see with this concept would be that one has to duplicate the seekers, one for the stealth case and one for the penetrator, which would make it quite heavy and may impact range/limit launch platform options.
What do you guys think? Do you have any better ideas of how to make a stealth missile with supersonic terminal stage?
In any case, I hope that CASIC will not only make a single stealth missile that is compatible for newer platforms, but also makes a cheaper stealth missile that can replace the YJ-83 without modification for the surface combattants. Ideally, the same cannisters (or at least same sized) should be used.