I think only the older destroyer stopped in Haifa, not the type 054a which were visiting other places.
PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments
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I think only the older destroyer stopped in Haifa, not the type 054a which were visiting other places.
asif iqbal
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really? that is interesting, this visit also means the Type 903 replenishment tanker navigated the Suez, which would be a good experience for the Captain and crews in general, Suez is a busy narrow shipping line and also has a "holding area" this is like a traffic jam where ships are sent while they wait to get the green light to sail through the canal, its also a time when crews can sit back and relax #
when going through the canal many navys put their ships on "high alert", and have the heavy machine guns manned and special forces usually take up positions on the outside of the ship to watch for any attackers trying to damage the ship, by looking at these pics i think PLAN is also doing this which gives info on Chinese Navy protocol, as soon as you go through the canal you enter the Red Sea which is open and deep which posses its own challenges before you get bottle necked again before entering the Gulf of Aden where pirates operate, this route is very good for training navys no wonder China is send its ships up and down this area
btw when you enter Red Sea SSNs just dive right down and go full speed, it is a good location to play cat and mouse and train the ASW skills
Thornblade
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It wasn't a "C-802".
Type 052 Destroyer 113 visited Ukraine first, then Turkey. Type 054A frigate 538 visited Bulgaria and Romania first, then rendezvoused with both 113 and AOE 887, formed a 3-ship flotilla, then visited Israel.
And the Americans have set the foot on 054A class ship long before the Bulgarian, Romanian and Israeli did, during the taskforce exchange visits on anti-piracy escort experiences; so there's nothing the Israelis "had a really good look at" that the Americans hadn't seen. And for the classified stuff, they don't get to see anyway.
They can't send what they don't have, as the flotilla of 11th Chinese naval escort taskforce only consists of ships 113(type 052), 538(type 054A) and 887(type 903). After they finished the four-month long escort mission the 12th escort taskforce then took over.
Besides, even the oldest ship 113 (type 052) after its 2011 upgrade, are more advanced and have more fire power than any ships the Bulgarian and Romanian navies currently have (including Romanian navy's 2nd hand British Type 22 Batch 2 frigates with downgraded weapon systems). So no need to send an air defence ship like 052C to show technology superiority; 113 is advanced enough to them.
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Thornblade
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First time Enters Black Sea? NO, it was incorrect.
DDG 113 Qingdao visited port Sevastopol in Ukraine back in 2002 during its 10-nation global tour.
(10 ports in 10 countries, i.e. Changi of Singapore, Alexandria of Egypt, Aksis of Turkey, Sevastopol of Ukraine, Peiraievs of Greece, Lisbon of Portugal, Fortaleza of Brazil, Guayaquil of Ecuador, Callao of Peru and Papeete of French Polynesia with a total voyage of 33,000 nautical miles. )
Need link? here:
ｈｔｔｐ：//english.chinamil.com.cn/site2/special-reports/2008-11/27/content_1608384.ｈｔｍ
All 3 ships visited Israel as Israel was the last leg of the 5-nation tour.
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I believe that was a C-802 missile, but might not be manufactured in China, instead was build by Iran.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Iran also makes the C701, which has a heat seeking variant, whereas the C802 is radar only.
It has been suggested quite convincingly (cruse my failing memory, I cannot remember by who) that the attack on the INS Hanit was a well co-ordinated bait and switch which could have worked even if the Hanit had it's EW suit on at the time (there are also many credible questions about the official story that the Hanit had it's EW switch off but that's a different story).
The strategy was to launch a radar guided missile (C802) high and use that both to attract and focus the attention of the IDF as well as to use it's radar to get a location for the IDF ships, which would than be used to give an approximate heading to the low flying IR guided C701.
The idea is that since the C701 is IR homing it is passive and invisible to RWR based EW systems. The small size of the missile and low level flightpath would also help to minimize detection chances and detection range from the target's active radars. The C802 might also cause the target to train any IR detection gear they have at the C802, thus making it much more likely that the C701 would remain undetected.
The fact that the missile struck the helo idling on deck instead of the ship itself is a strong indication that the weapon as IR guided instead of radar guided as the ship would have had a bigger RCS than the helo, but might have had a small IR signature because of IR suppression measures.
The size of the detonation is also another indication that the weapon as a C701, as a C802's warhead would have obliterated the Hanit even with a close proximity detonation. Although there is a slight possibility that if it was a C802 that struck the helo, the armor-piercing warhead did not go off because of the low density of the helo compared to the ship hulls the missile was designed to penetrate, and it was only the helo's onboard fuel that cooked off which cause the explosive and fire damage to the ship.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
These Plawolf are good points but fact is high low attack could not have happened because C802/Noor is a sea skimming missile that has a flight profile 5 metres above the sea surface, once launched it decends to that low altitude so it could not have over shot the Hanit, also Hanit was hit 16km out at sea which gives C802 plenty of time to reach its low flight profile a long time after boast phase
Also Attack happened after dark at 2030, C701 EO TV guidance would not see the target and if it was a 2 different missile attack this requires 2 separate shore based launchers and to co-ordinate such a attack Is very difficulty probably impossible
In addition the missile also did not hit the helo as there was none Onboard it infact hit the crane, the railings on the deck are 5m above the waterline and the crane is around 7m above the waterline, The missile approached from he stern clipping the safetly railing and impacting the crane, in the photos after the attack there is no crane and the deck is all burnt out, Hanit was repaired 3 weeks after the attack but the crane was missing and there was no entry or exit holes which indicates crane took the blast and the soot and fires on the deck indicate blast happened right on the deck in open air and was intense The damage is consistent with 165kg warhead detonation Very close to the deck C701 is only 29kg
Also Hanits Phalanx CIWS can not engage directly astern of the ship, that is masked by the ships superstructure even if it was in automatic mode and Barak was off
One thing is for certain however, INS Hanit is a very very lucky and fortunate corvette, If this attack happened 100 times 99 times it would sink
escobar
Brigadier
Months ago CCTV released a documentary series called "The biography escort" realized by reporter mounted on board the 7th Escort Fleet (AOE-886, FFG-529 and FFG-530).
1# We see the departure ceremony Nov. 2, 2010 - the discourse of the Admiral of the East Fleet promising to bring back everyone safely at home
[video=youtube;nNxAXUv2wsY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNxAXUv2wsY[/video]
1# We see the departure ceremony Nov. 2, 2010 - the discourse of the Admiral of the East Fleet promising to bring back everyone safely at home
[video=youtube;nNxAXUv2wsY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNxAXUv2wsY[/video]
escobar
Brigadier
3#The Fleet arrives in Gulf of Aden November 17, 2010, after 15 days at sea. Shortly after arriving and as everyone was preparing to join the 6th escort fleet, an order sent directly from the HQ directs one of the frigates to an urgent rescue mission of a Chinese civilian ship attacked by pirates from 1300 miles of their position. The other frigate was then sent to save another Chinese vessel, 570 miles away.
[video=youtube;udGH6ICvtQg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udGH6ICvtQg[/video]
[video=youtube;udGH6ICvtQg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udGH6ICvtQg[/video]
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