PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments
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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
Has to be a first for the PLAN in modern history...actively, militarily, PLAN surface combatant (DDG in this case) escorting commercial shipping far from China's shores.
Will certainly go over well in the PRC...proof positive for them that all of that spending is visibly going towards their own interests...that is, the people's interest themselves.
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Great pic Crobato!
Has to be a first for the PLAN in modern history...actively, militarily, PLAN surface combatant (DDG in this case) escorting commercial shipping far from China's shores.
Will certainly go over well in the PRC...proof positive for them that all of that spending is visibly going towards their own interests...that is, the people's interest themselves.
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
Look at the deck, there are spent shell casings from of the 730 littered there. The marine would not be standing there 24/7. They would probably set up the HMGs as soon as the alert is sounded, but stand well back while the 730s do their stuff. The HMGs would probably only be manned if the DDG wants to take prisoners onboard.
Look at the deck, there are spent shell casings from of the 730 littered there. The marine would not be standing there 24/7. They would probably set up the HMGs as soon as the alert is sounded, but stand well back while the 730s do their stuff. The HMGs would probably only be manned if the DDG wants to take prisoners onboard.
joshuatree
Captain
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
First off, I want to say the PLAN's choice of sending destroyers and a supply ship for their first international deployment is a good choice.
But now looking into the theoretical discussion of PLAN FACs doing anti-piracy patrols, I find it a bit of an exaggeration about the ships being not balanced enough to shoot off of. If that was the case, the ship utterly fails in its purpose as a combat vessel and China would not be mass producing them. Since this is not a wartime mission and the enemy (pirates) is low tech, the camouflage scheme is really not that big of a deal. The vessel does have a AK-630 to deal with Kornets. RPGs don't even match the range of the 630. As for platoon, a squad would be a reasonable size. As for endurance, why would the FAC need to head back to a port? Would a supply ship not be able to do the same at sea replenishments as with a destroyer? The USN currently has 5 Cyclone class patrol boats forward deployed for anti-piracy and anti-terrorism patrols in the Arabian Sea and off the Horn of Africa. The ships have been replenished at sea and the crews rotate out. These PBs are similiar in size to the FAC. In fact, the FAC would even seem to be better armed than these PBs with their missile payload. If anything, I would say the cost of deploying FACs would be less than destroyers.
I still think that 169 and 171 are probably the best choices, PLAN sent an 052B overseas before and due to the fact that the ship is basically a Chinese version of a Sovremenny they should know the "in's" and "out's" of the ship already so it's one less headache to worry about, while 171 is a great choice because it can tests its PAR and other electronics using real world scenarios instead of exercises. An FFG 54A might have been nice too to see how it's systems react against real scenarios.
But the FACs are too small they'll need to constantly go back and forth between a port and also you can't station a platoon of spec ops on broard, i don't even think the ship will be balanced enough to shoot off of if it was chasing after pirates and spec ops troops need to shoot them too. How much food do you think those things can carry? Maybe at most 2-3 days before it has to go back and resupply, which will waste time and money, not to mention it would also be a major liability for the PLAN to anchor team in some unknown port. Not to mention the camouflages for those FACs aren't for the Somilia coast. I think also you can't forget those pirate have RPGs, if they RPGs whats stopping them from getting some Russian Kornets?
What do you think will happen if a couple of Kornets hit the FAC while it's stationed at some unknown port or investigating a "pirate" ship, not a pretty site
First off, I want to say the PLAN's choice of sending destroyers and a supply ship for their first international deployment is a good choice.
But now looking into the theoretical discussion of PLAN FACs doing anti-piracy patrols, I find it a bit of an exaggeration about the ships being not balanced enough to shoot off of. If that was the case, the ship utterly fails in its purpose as a combat vessel and China would not be mass producing them. Since this is not a wartime mission and the enemy (pirates) is low tech, the camouflage scheme is really not that big of a deal. The vessel does have a AK-630 to deal with Kornets. RPGs don't even match the range of the 630. As for platoon, a squad would be a reasonable size. As for endurance, why would the FAC need to head back to a port? Would a supply ship not be able to do the same at sea replenishments as with a destroyer? The USN currently has 5 Cyclone class patrol boats forward deployed for anti-piracy and anti-terrorism patrols in the Arabian Sea and off the Horn of Africa. The ships have been replenished at sea and the crews rotate out. These PBs are similiar in size to the FAC. In fact, the FAC would even seem to be better armed than these PBs with their missile payload. If anything, I would say the cost of deploying FACs would be less than destroyers.
joshuatree
Captain
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
Not if we have something such as the Shichang as a "mothership" for rotating crews to relax. You can also have your helos stationed there. Coupled with the Weishanhu and there should be enough supplies for a flotilla of FACs to do anti-piracy patrols.
Not if we have something such as the Shichang as a "mothership" for rotating crews to relax. You can also have your helos stationed there. Coupled with the Weishanhu and there should be enough supplies for a flotilla of FACs to do anti-piracy patrols.
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
The PLAN is performing a mission of deterrence, and not punitive action. At best they want the pirates to stay home and not bother them. Nor do I think the Somali pirates are THAT stupid to go pick on a 052B DDG. There are easier targets to go after and they want money, not martyrdom.
The PLAN is performing a mission of deterrence, and not punitive action. At best they want the pirates to stay home and not bother them. Nor do I think the Somali pirates are THAT stupid to go pick on a 052B DDG. There are easier targets to go after and they want money, not martyrdom.
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
adeptitus, they have been as stupid as you suggested. Against the USN..here's the result;
adeptitus, they have been as stupid as you suggested. Against the USN
..here's the result;