PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Intrepid

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I agree, I thought the CVE designation also was determined by other factors such as speed, armament, and using commercial hulls?
That is true. While the light CVLs operated together with the CVs in the same groups, the CVEs were allocated own groups because of their low speed.

Nowadays you will distinguish between normal aircraft carriers and amphibious aircraft carriers, if at all. Or between STOBAR or CATOBAR.
 

Jeff Head

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Does "2nd/3rd carrier" mean "2nd And 3rd carrier"? A "And" condition would mean people may need to wait quite some time until June 1st 2020 to know whether the 3rd carrier would appear in order to decide the winner, whereas an "Or" condition would allow people to decide to bet on either one of the 2nd or 3rd carrier.
It's all explained at the link above.
 

FORBIN

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Very possible later 2025/2030 ?? they going for a third but a CATOBAR nuclear about a Ulyanovsk mainly capable use AEW and fighters at full load a STOBAR can't.
The CATOBAR configuration is the only one to ensure the symmetry of performance between a fixed wing operating from land and even operating from the sea. All the other formulas (STOBAR, STOVL) see an asymmetry between the performance of the same operating fixed wing on land and from ships.


For CVE during WW II civil ships with low speed about 20 kt max then useless for to be rattached in a fast TF.
 
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Blitzo

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So the current pics still can't 100% confirm that it's an AC?

Practically speaking, I think we're very close. We can see what appears to be a significant and distinctive module for the hangar, and also various modules for the sponsons that would support the flight deck on top...

But there will always be the very skeptical folks here, which is fine, and I think it won't be good enough for them until we see the full flight deck assembled along with the island.
 

SamuraiBlue

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Practically speaking, I think we're very close. We can see what appears to be a significant and distinctive module for the hangar, and also various modules for the sponsons that would support the flight deck on top...

But there will always be the very skeptical folks here, which is fine, and I think it won't be good enough for them until we see the full flight deck assembled along with the island.

I still do not see the overhang portion of the ship which would be indicative that it is in fact a super carrier.
 

Blitzo

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I still do not see the overhang portion of the ship which would be indicative that it is in fact a super carrier.

You are joking me, surely? I swear, this is deja vu.
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pl...ogramme-news-views.t6479/page-431#post-366366

I'll respond with what I wrote last time, and also Intrepid's post:

I'm not sure what you mean -- at this stage of relatively early construction, when the hangar has not even been raised, we would not expect any overhang to accommodate the flight deck to be present as of yet. If anything, at this stage of construction, we would expect the sides of the hull to be upright.
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Overhang starts at 1st (main, hangar) or 2nd deck level, we see 3rd or 4th deck at the moment (top of machinery space, waterline or slightly above). it is to early for that conclusion.


I think it would be beneficial for all of us, for you to either acknowledge what was concluded last time, or to contest the statements we made if you disagree with them... otherwise we end up sounding like a broken record.

That said, in jaybird's post two pages back where various photos of modules at DL are present, there are some modules which look like they could be part of the overhanging sponson... but they're just too early for them to be attached.
We also now see a very large module that seems very indicative of the hangar... which is a significant difference between what we knew when we last had this conversation, compared to now. I think the large beam likely-hangar module is a very photo that adds a very large piece of likely evidence to the already large evidence and logical base suggesting this is a carrier.
 
With all the media attention being paid to that dry dock and readily available satellite imagery I am sure we will get confirmation the moment it is clear what is being built. For what it's worth I do think it is likely to be a CV so booooo PLAN for ruining my bet!!! ;)
 
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