PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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SpicySichuan

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An improved Liaoning can still be more than just island/deck improvements and more CIWS/VLS.

- Yes, island size should be reduced to free up more room for deck space. But two major improvements related to a reduced island size can happen here. First is propulsion. Using steam boilers is rather archaic now. It would make sense to switch over to gas turbines. Whether this helps reduce the size of the smokestack will also be a factor with island size. The other are the sensors. Better and more efficient placement of the phased radars and sensors would also reduce the size of island as well as provide better electronics vs Liaoning. The island itself should be relocated further aft to improve deck ops.

- More automation to further reduce crew size.

- Even with the same general outward design as Liaoning, it should be a bigger displacement to increase deck size and hangar size.

- The aft above the water line should borrow improvements found on the Ford class which is to build out extended sides that provide additional room for non-hangar operations such as workshops. Also, perhaps the flag bridge can be in a lower deck to further reduce island size.

- I don't think there should be any VLS. Runs contradictory to the concept of a CBG where the destroyers and frigates provide that duty and form a layered defense. However, there should be room for future weapons platforms such as a laser when China is ready to field one of its own.

- Design in bow and below deck space to anticipate potential mid-life overhaul where the ski ramp can be removed readily and catapults installed when PLAN transitions to CATOBAR. The improved Liaoning should really have a hull that's identical to a non-nuclear CATOBAR version to reduce design costs and allow reasonable retrofit to standardize when the carrier fleet switches over to an all CATOBAR fleet. At that point, there should really be just two design flavors, a non-nuclear CATOBAR carrier and a nuclear CATOBAR carrier. Liaoning herself will be the exception but she has always been designated as a training carrier in all sorts - building, operations, etc. Perhaps at that point, she could be leased out to a friendly nation with J-15s being an export product as well.
Sounds like a realistic plan. Or is the Charles De Gaulle type carrier a potential option? Just wondering if the J-15s are too big for 40,000 tonnes class ships. The Dassault Rafale are much smaller aircrafts (like J-31?). The Charles De Gaulle option is probably cheaper than super-carriers.
 

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Sounds like a realistic plan. Or is the Charles De Gaulle type carrier a potential option? Just wondering if the J-15s are too big for 40,000 tonnes class ships. The Dassault Rafale are much smaller aircrafts (like J-31?). The Charles De Gaulle option is probably cheaper than super-carriers.

The PLAN started with Liaoning, and their indigenous carriers will likely be no smaller. If so, then they would be making a conscious decision to forgo smaller carriers for larger ones, with the higher associated production and operating costs.
I don't think many PLA watchers have seriously considered the idea of PLAN regressing to a smaller class of carrier since it was clear that they intended to refurbish the Varyag hulk to service a decade ago.

They can probably fit a J-15 on a smaller carrier, but there will be difficulties compared to a larger carrier.
 

FORBIN

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If China begin build a 2nd CV can be ready in how many years ?
PS : Liaoning modernization was very long but for the second possible more fast.
 

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If this recent image is, in fact, of a 001a class carrier - then the most optimistic timetable might be launch at the end of 2016, commissioning sometime in 2018 and initial operational capability with full active duty airwing sometime in 2020. More realistic timetable might add a year or two to that.
 

delft

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If China begin build a 2nd CV can be ready in how many years ?
PS : Liaoning modernization was very long but for the second possible more fast.
UK has improvised the building of its new flattops making parts all around its coast and carrying those parts to the assembling yard.
US has a single yard that produces a CVN every four or five years. I think that production could be faster but that would cost more money and would result in having too many expensively run aircraft carriers.
China is preparing for an indefinite run of aircraft carriers and is building probably two production facilities, Dalian and JN, which are to be compared with the US production methods and not with the British one. As the Chinese ships will be about the size of Liaoning and will not as yet be nuclear powered production time should be four years or less. Add one or two years because this is the first one.
N.B. CdG took twelve years from keel laying to commissioning rather than the planned seven. That too is irrelevant to the Chinese project.
 

Jeff Head

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If this recent image is, in fact, of a 001a class carrier - then the most optimistic timetable might be launch at the end of 2016, commissioning sometime in 2018 and initial operational capability with full active duty airwing sometime in 2020. More realistic timetable might add a year or two to that.
If they are at that stage in April 2015, and IF it is an aircraft carrier, there is NO WAY they are going to launch it by the end of 2016.

At that stage, more likely end of 2017 launch. But that will be a HUGE day for the PLAN and PRC.

Then trials for around eighteen months before commissioning. This places commissioning in mid 2019. Another BIG day for the PLAN and PRC.

Then working it up will take at the very least another twelve to eighteen months.

So...initial operational capability...IF that is a carrier...by end of 2020. and more likely 2021.

Full operational capability...add another twelve to eighteen months. So fully operational with its full air wing and all...you are now into 2022 sometime.
 
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