PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

Battle group concept, showing 052 for anti-submarine role and 167 as a command ship. I wonder if that's what the recent refit with 167 may be about?

no_name said:

Battle group concept, showing 052 for anti-submarine role and 167 as a command ship. I wonder if that's what the recent refit with 167 may be about?

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12 vessels in all..that's a pretty big CV battle group.

It's a good CGI but a bit fanciful really. For one the 052s seem to have VLS, which did not happen in the 2011 upgrade and aren't likely to. I also doubt the 051B will be upgraded to the extent suggested.
And of course the depicted ships is more like a task force or even a fleet in of itself, rather than a mere carrier battle group.

In any case it would be foolish to draw any real world conclusions from a fan CGI as always.

no_name said:

Battle group concept, showing 052 for anti-submarine role and 167 as a command ship. I wonder if that's what the recent refit with 167 may be about?

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For normal ops, I believe ttheir CSG will probably be two Type 052Ds (or one D and one C), two Type 054A FFGs, and a Type 093 (5) SSN with the carrier.

Later, when they are built, they will probably turn that into one Type 055 and one Type 052D, the two FFGs and the SSN.

If it was a high threat environment, they might add a couple of more surface combatants and another SSN.

Jeff Head said:

Jeez...talk is cheap.

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Yes, but it keeps the conversations kindled until something much more substantial comes up. Think of it as a way to kill time, if you will.

no_name said:

By 'second' do you mean first fully indigenous carrier since Chinese media often report the Liaoning as being the 'first' Chinese-built carrier even if it was not built from the hull up.

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Second Chinese-built carrier; Liaoning wasn't a Chinese-built carrier.

Bltizo said:

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Regarding Henri K, I'm not sure who exactly he is (I think he's french?) but he seems to have made quite a few predictions regarding PLAN matters, although I don't follow him enough to know how accurate he is -- I'm not even sure which forum he actually frequents, but I believe he made a post regarding 055's specs quite early on that was cited in the 055 thread. I think he also maintains a youtube channel with a variety of CCTV and chinese language clips on PLA matters.

Edit: he seems to post quite a lot on this french maritime/naval forum

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Hmm, good find. The forum contains some pretty nice images regarding PLAN radar development; one of the threads show a Chinese SMART-L in testing. I actually didn't go to the link you provided. It seems that Henri K. keeps multiple forums running with his posts (I used the Algerian forum).

tphuang said:

who is henri k and why is he reliable?

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He's a French engineer, based in Toulon, who has lived in China and is fairly acquainted with Chinese military matters.

He has made some fairly candid "predictions" regarding the Type 055, Type 052D, various HQ-series missiles, and countless other things, and unlike many of the "big shrimps", he actually provides research papers to back up most his technical claims.

No replenishment tanker in the carrier strike package ??

I would guess one would be trailing behind with a escort

Bltizo said:

I expect JN's CV to be substantially smaller than Ford or Nimitz class; maybe forrestal size more like. I imagine that will cut off some of the time from the Ford derived timetable.

Then again this will be JN's first carrier and if it's CATOBAR it will likely have substantial differences from 001A and even more from 001, so who knows. Then there's the question of whether they will be using IEPS and EMALS on 002 which will further influence the time projected...

I wonder what DL will be doing after it launches 001A; will they build another copy of 002 while JN is half way through their construction of 002, or will they wait it out...

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I wouldn't call Forrestal substantially smaller than Ford, with 82.000 tons. It's well within the supercarrier range. Plus we don't really know what the powerplant will be. Or do we? Isn't there a fair chance it'll be steam turbine fueled by heat of nuclear reactor? So, a brand new class of ship not only for China but for JN shipyard, something of size and complexity that shipyard never tried before (unless it's gonna build a LHD in the meantime? Even so it'd still double in size)

2027/2028 is great time, really. In less than 15 years from now PLAN will have three pretty large carriers in active duty with probably 90-110 combat airplanes between them. Possibly half or so of them being next gen (possibly fc-31 based) fighters. No other navy, save for USN, will have such a carrier fleet. RN, with two 65,000 ton carriers and 48 f35b between them (fleet of which will be shared with RAF)? Or India with 50,000 ton Gorshkov, 40,000 ton Vikrant and 60,000 ton Vishal, carrying mig29k and Tejas, maybe 70-90 of them between all three combined? There is really nothing to complain about even if 002 enters service after 2027.