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Rank Amateur said:
not merely some wacky concept
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TerraN_EmpirE said:
It looks to me like that’s exactly what it is.
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I wasn't saying an under-barrel shotgun is a *good* idea. I was just pushing back against the notion I perceived in Aniah's post #5,487 that it's a *new* idea that has never been fielded before.

Hence the parts of this statement from my post #5,489 that I've bolded here: "such a device is not merely some wacky concept that might have been tested by US R&D nerds let loose with an unlimited budget, but something that has actually been procured and fielded by the US military as early as the 1980s."
 
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I wasn't saying an under-barrel shotgun is a *good* idea. I was just pushing back against the notion I perceived in Aniah's post #5,487 that it's a *new* idea that has never been fielded before.

Hence the parts of this statement from my post #5,489 that I've bolded here: "such a device is not merely some wacky concept that might have been tested by US R&D nerds let loose with an unlimited budget, but something that has actually been procured and fielded by the US military as early as the 1980s."
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Well, I never did claim it was new, but as others had said, it's definitely something new for China. We don't know what they are thinking or why they chose that double-barreled design over something like the master key. We might never know, in fact, but what we do know is it will at least provide some data to them. It could very much be a one-off just for data collection.
 
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Well, I never did claim it was new, but as others had said, it's definitely something new for China. We don't know what they are thinking or why they chose that double-barreled design over something like the master key. We might never know, in fact, but what we do know is it will at least provide some data to them. It could very much be a one-off just for data collection.
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"Well, I never did claim it was new ...."

In that case, I apologize for misinterpreting your post.
 
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I can add from personal experience that carrying a modern, well balanced 5.56 assault rifle isn't really strenuous. Even if you shoulder it a lot and cover sectors actively.
But as soon as you add something like an under barrel launcher up front, you not only bump the weight - you add the weight in the worst spot, totally upsetting the balance.
As a result the support arm now has to do a lot of work and it quickly becomes tiresome.
I always much preferred a stand-alone grenade launcher to carry separately, given how rarely you need it, and a clean well balanced rifle.
You won't use such under barrel gadgets a lot, and when you need them, you usually have the time to prepare and swap to a different weapon.
There is a reason why stand-alone handles for all these under barrel launchers quickly became a thing in the west.
 
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High-velocity GL test prototype, Option A.

Specifications require a muzzle velocity of 450 m/s and a maximum instantaneous recoil of less than 3500 N. Option A uses floating launch technology, muzzle velocity 441 m/s with a normal launch recoil of 2500 N. Option B is essentially a recoilless gun, with a recoil of only 1200 N.
 
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High-velocity GL test prototype, Option A.

Specifications require a muzzle velocity of 450 m/s and a maximum instantaneous recoil of less than 3500 N. Option A uses floating launch technology, muzzle velocity 441 m/s with a normal launch recoil of 2500 N. Option B is essentially a recoilless gun, with a recoil of only 1200 N.
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Will this be able to be used against light armored vehicles and APCs?
 
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