PLA reorganisation ... from 7 military regions to 4 strategic regions

FORBIN said:

PLA's New Orbat

5/ Central Theater

The first 81 brigade: synthetic 7 brigade, synthetic 70 brigade, synthetic 162 brigade, synthetic 189 brigade, synthetic 194 brigade, synthetic 195 brigade, special brigade 81 brigade, artillery 81 brigade, air defense 81 brigade, land 81 brigade, engineering 81 brigade , Service support 81 brigade

The 82nd Army: synthetic 6 brigade, synthetic 80 brigade, synthetic 127 brigade, synthetic 151 brigade, synthetic 188 brigade, synthetic 196 brigade, special war 82 brigade, artillery 82 brigade, air defense 82 brigade, land 82 cruise, , Service support 82 brigade

The 83rd Army: synthetic 11 brigade, synthetic 58 brigade, synthetic 60 brigade, synthetic 113 brigade, synthetic 131 brigade, synthetic 193 brigade, air assault 161 brigade, special war 83 brigade, artillery 83 brigade, air defense 83 brigade, Service support 83 brigade

Supplementary description: the original Morocco step 42 brigade to change the special brigade, the original armor 18 brigade to the synthesis of brigade, followed by 42 of the designation

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The 1st LH (Army Aviation) Brigade is now the 161st Air-Assault Brigade (空中突击第161旅), 83rd Group Army, Central Theater Command

The great PLA orbat reform of 2017 continues -- the former 1st LH Brigade now has an organic light assault infantry detachment and renamed as the 161st Air-Assault Brigade accordingly. It is no-longer just a battlefield transport arm of the 83rd Group Army anymore.

To be clear, the PLA has been experimenting with heli-assault tactics in combined arms operations since the formation of its LH (Army Aviation) Corps (

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), albeit at a low scale. In 2005, the CMC detached elements from the 149th Mech Infantry Division to form the experimental 155th Special Light Mechanized Regiment as a first step of putting theoretical theory into practice. In addition to the 155th, a smaller Heli-Assault battalion battle group was also created at the Nanjing MR to further refine small-unit, heli-assault operations. Fast forward to 2017, Air-Assault is now part of the ground force's arsenal. More LH units are expected to be converted into Air-Assault Brigades as part the orbat reform

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I wonder, does PLA has Military Police units? Or the PAP is also Military Police for PLA personell?

Also, I wonder, with all this reorganisation stuff in China- why don't they abolish Central Military Commission in favour of Ministry of Defence? It's a such an odd institution- even the Soviet Union had Ministry of Defence...

abc123 said:

I wonder, does PLA has Military Police units? Or the PAP is also Military Police for PLA personell?

Also, I wonder, with all this reorganisation stuff in China- why don't they abolish Central Military Commission in favour of Ministry of Defence? It's a such an odd institution- even the Soviet Union had Ministry of Defence...

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Bumping this question.

abc123 said:

I wonder, does PLA has Military Police units? Or the PAP is also Military Police for PLA personell?

Also, I wonder, with all this reorganisation stuff in China- why don't they abolish Central Military Commission in favour of Ministry of Defence? It's a such an odd institution- even the Soviet Union had Ministry of Defence...

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Why? Why should the Chinese follow that line of thinking? Don't you see, the Central Military Comission is their equivalent of the Ministry of Defence. Heck, the CMC is better and also holds more weight as a civilian body and its members are capable of keeping the military in check and in line with the civilian government.

I know it is. But they also have the Ministry of Defence. I don't see the need to have the MoD if you use CMC as alternative MoD.

abc123 said:

I wonder, does PLA has Military Police units? Or the PAP is also Military Police for PLA personell?

Also, I wonder, with all this reorganisation stuff in China- why don't they abolish Central Military Commission in favour of Ministry of Defence? It's a such an odd institution- even the Soviet Union had Ministry of Defence...

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Control of the military is a key element to any country's political system. The PRC follows the model of people's democratic dictatorship, which means the country is owned by its people and led by the CPC as a single ruling party. This one party system is required to maintain the . Under such a premise it only make sense for the CPC to also command the PLA (not to mention historically the CPC created the PLA before the PRC came into existence), you can't change this without changing the fundamental political model in China.

That's why they established the CMC to command the PLA. The CMC is one single organ that bears two designations, one reports to the party (Central Committee of CPC) and the other to the civilian sector (the National People's Congress). In practice the party and the civilian government usually has the same leader. When it's not the same leader, such as during Deng's era, the CMC chairman position represents the ultimate political power which can be used to supervise and stabilize other leadership changes in the country.

The current MoD is a ministry under the state council (civilian government), organizationally speaking its level is too low to command the PLA, and nominally it does not represent the CPC in any way. It is still established because they needed an office front within the civilian government to manage military affairs close to other civilian sectors, such as conscription, national defense education, public relations and foreign affairs. Much of the actual work was still done by departments under the PLA or CMC, but they used MoD as a more 'friendly and familiar' name plate when interacting with civilian governments, the general public, international organizations and foreign countries.

As for military police units, I think both the PLA and PAP has similar functioning units but I'm not sure they called it MP. The PAP is not PLA's MP, they're separate forces that has their own internal discipline enforcers. There are also military court and procuratorate systems that managed different arms of the military including the PAP. Military courts for PLA/PLAAF/PLAN/PAP used to be separate, but after the recent reorganization they're no longer divided between the different forces, only by theater command zones.

Same thing applied on the Soviet Union ( Communist Party leadership etc. ) and they had no CMC... They used the Ministry of Defence.

abc123 said:

Same thing applied on the Soviet Union ( Communist Party leadership etc. ) and they had no CMC... They used the Ministry of Defence.

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That is why the Soviet Union IMPLODE! and China is NOT I am nosysing right or wrong but if you want to hang on to power which I think CCP want separating the Military and CCP is recipe for disaster!. Anyway the military and CCP are both child of the red revolution. Historically they are inseparable

The west always berate China to separate the military from the CCP as the first step to wedge division then latter on exploit that division to regime change the CCP. We seen that in Latin America where the military is used to topple the legitimate government Chile under Salvador Alliende come into mind to be replace by brutal dictator Pinochet

Argentina next when Isabel Peron was overthrown by the military. The list goes on and on

Hendrik_2000 said:

That is why the Soviet Union IMPLODE! and China is NOT I am nosysing right or wrong but if you want to hang on to power which I think CCP want separating the Military and CCP is recipe for disaster!. Anyway the military and CCP are both child of the red revolution. Historically they are inseparable

The west always berate China to separate the military from the CCP as the first step to wedge division then latter on exploit that division to regime change the CCP. We seen that in Latin America where the military is used to topple the legitimate government Chile under Salvador Alliende come into mind to be replace by brutal dictator Pinochet

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Argentina next when Isabel Peron was overthrown by the military. The list goes on and on

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Well, if anywhere, in Soviet Union military WAS under full control of the Communist Party ( they even had Zampolit's )... And Soviet Union is no longer with us not because of some non-existing non-politisation of their military, but because their economy crumbled.

abc123 said:

Same thing applied on the Soviet Union ( Communist Party leadership etc. ) and they had no CMC... They used the Ministry of Defence.

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I already explained why China needs both the CMC and the MoD and the respective functions they serve within the PRC. The Soviet MoD bears no resemblance in roles and composition to the Chinese MoD, their overall political traditions and structures were not the same, and above all the deceased USSR can't be seen as a good role model for the PRC in the 21st century. Therefore, the Soviet example bears no implication whatsoever in analyzing whether it makes sense for China to have a CMC and a MoD at the same time. You can keep mentioning the Soviet MoD but it's not a meaningful contribution to the discussion of PLA organization.