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Which is The Ukrainian Export site.
They don’t advertise it as a APFSDS killer. Again the site above.
The Shell may be a BM-22 but not a full power. Otherwise it would have been out the the range listed for the Zaslon. Because 125mm is binary It wouldn’t be hard to under load the bag.
I am adamant because just about any APS maker not trying to snake oil someone states it’s ATGM only. If anyone development of a Hardkill APS that is effective vs APFSDS at full velocity they would have every tank builder beating a line to their door, and we would see a massive amount of wrk on counter measures form the gun builders to break the 1,900m/s wall s as to counter the countermeasure.
 
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An article written by Ilike磁能 on Chinese 4th-gen tanks. Relates to the 125mm to 105mm change of Chinese tank guns, Type 15's protection, disadvantages and advantages compared to heavier vehicles, and some methods used by the Type 15 to minimize weight.

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(Chinese required, originally posted 2019.10.7)
 
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Pictures from Hebei Civil-military integration website. Probably photos of the 4th gen tank diesel engine prototype.
These were images from a document from a person I came over on weibo, accordingly being the only available declassified pictures for a 4th gen tank engine prototype on the internet. The document claims that the name of the engine is HPD6V, and that its power-per-liter reaches 60kW/L. (I'm not an expert at this so I don't really understand, if someone knows any further info, or can tell the overall level of this engine please share or explain, thanks.) The engine is a V6 diesel engine.
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"As an engine for civil use, the power of the HPD6V, which reaches 350kW to 450kW, is on par with the civil market's needs,"
I guess the HPD6V here is just a civil version of some engine used for the 4th gen tank.
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(Unfortunately the website seems to be unavailable now)
If anyone requires further info or can help explain this, you can ask me for the original document. Unfortunately i can't give useful advice or opinions because I know very little about power systems.
 
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RichardGao said:
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Pictures from Hebei Civil-military integration website. Probably photos of the 4th gen tank diesel engine prototype.
These were images from a document from a person I came over on weibo, accordingly being the only available declassified pictures for a 4th gen tank engine prototype on the internet. The document claims that the name of the engine is HPD6V, and that its power-per-liter reaches 60kW/L. (I'm not an expert at this so I don't really understand, if someone knows any further info, or can tell the overall level of this engine please share or explain, thanks.) The engine is a V6 diesel engine.
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"As an engine for civil use, the power of the HPD6V, which reaches 350kW to 450kW, is on par with the civil market's needs,"
I guess the HPD6V here is just a civil version of some engine used for the 4th gen tank.
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(Unfortunately the website seems to be unavailable now)
If anyone requires further info or can help explain this, you can ask me for the original document. Unfortunately i can't give useful advice or opinions because I know very little about power systems.
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That seems too little for a tank, 450kw.
 
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TK3600 said:
That seems too little for a tank, 450kw.
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It clearly says that the HPD6V is an engine for civil use, it's just that I guess it's a variant of the engine developed for the 4th gen tank. After all it's published on the Hebei Civil-military integration website, and that it's being called "High-energy-density diesel engine", the same as the name of the engine of the 4th gen tank.
 
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RichardGao said:
It clearly says that the HPD6V is an engine for civil use, it's just that I guess it's a variant of the engine developed for the 4th gen tank. After all it's published on the Hebei Civil-military integration website, and that it's being called "High-energy-density diesel engine", the same as the name of the engine of the 4th gen tank.
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It clearly says that the HPD6V is an engine for civil use, it's just that I guess it's a variant of the engine developed for the 4th gen tank. After all it's published on the Hebei Civil-military integration website, and that it's being called "High-energy-density diesel engine", the same as the name of the engine of the 4th gen tank.
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At 350-450KW it won’t be for a MBT or even a light tank that we know, maybe a tank like recon vehicle. At that sort of engine power I would say most probably a MRAP or Wheel Armoured Personnel Carrier.
 
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At 350-450KW it won’t be for a MBT or even a light tank that we know, maybe a tank like recon vehicle. At that sort of engine power I would say most probably a MRAP or Wheel Armoured Personnel Carrier.
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I mean that 450kW was a lowered value for civil use instead of military ones. And 60kW/L should also be a lowered value.
"As an engine for civil use, the power of the HPD6V, which reaches 350kW to 450kW, is on par with the civil market's needs, "
So the HPD6V is a CIVIL USE ENGINE instead of a CIVIL-MILITARY USE ENGINE. MILITARY TECHNOLOGIES DO NOT GO DIRECTLY FOR CIVIL USE. The HPD6V was accordingly an altered version of the 4th gen tank's engine, instead of a product used for direct use in the military. The engine for the 4th gen tank is still secrecy. All we know is that it now exists, and is technology is developed enough that parts of it can be transplanted for civil usage.
 
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TK3600 said:
That seems too little for a tank, 450kw.
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KIENCHIN said:
At 350-450KW it won’t be for a MBT or even a light tank that we know, maybe a tank like recon vehicle. At that sort of engine power I would say most probably a MRAP or Wheel Armoured Personnel Carrier.
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don't be too complicated ;) ... just relax
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Just some more info here.
The document said that the energy density of the HPD6V can reach 60kW/L.
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Translation: "increasing the power-per-liter to 60kW/L, meeting the design specifications"
So 60kW/L is actually the lowest standard for this engine. The actual values may be still higher.

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Picture taken from the catalogue of the Ukraine Defence Industry, spets techno export, 2020, "Military and special purpose vehicles". (pdf downloadable from STE's official website)
The specs here say that the Operating volume of the 6TD-1,1R,2E,3 are both 16.3L. If the new engine also has an operating volume of 16.3L then the power would reach 1330hp. And that's just according to the civil-use 60kW/L spec, the actual specs should still be higher.
Also from another perspective, modern tanks either use V12 or two-stroke V6 engines, if doubling the amount of cylinders of this engine then its power should also well exceed 1000hp. Still, civil use, so military use may still be higher.
Of course this is based on my very little knowledge about engines so there must be flaws. Anyone's who is more informed about engines please help point out. Thanks.
 
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