PLA next/6th generation fighter thread

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ACuriousPLAFan

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I’m interested in how the inlet configuration will work for a tri-engine design.
Sounds like it's going to sacrifice maneuverability for range/endurance. Not that maneuverability is important in this age of highly advanced senors and long range missiles.

There's also the question on whether China really needs two separate J-XD models for its 6th-gen air combat systems, since neither of them are going to be cheap.

But then, if the claim of Chengdu AC's J-XD concept/technology demonstrator/prototype having 3 engines is eventually proven to be accurate in the final, production model - It does bring a huge question mark on the viability for such aircraft to be carrier-capable, given the size and weight restrictions for warplanes meant for carrier-based operations. As a matter of fact, I honestly don't think the PLAN will be happy to not operate J-XDs of their own, especially once the USN equips their CVNs with F/A-XXs in the 2030s and beyond.

Hence, if the 3-engine-on-Chengdu-J-XD claim is proven to be accurate - Then I do believe that China does need a smaller-sized (but definitely at least J-20/F-23-sized), twin-engine J-XD for use onboard the PLAN carriers.

(But of course, if China somehow manages to make the three-engine J-XD to be able to fit onboard PLAN CV(N)s in the future - Then the above contention can be rendered redundant.)

Furthermore, cost-versus-combat effectiveness is also another major factor at play here. If a smaller, twin-engine J-XD can already meaningfully cover 2IC without mid-air refueling, perhaps there is less need for a larger, three-engine J-XD as well relative to the former.
 
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sunnymaxi

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There's also the question on whether China really needs two separate J-XD models for its 6th-gen air combat systems, since neither of them are going to be cheap.

But then, if the claim of Chengdu AC's J-XD concept/technology demonstrator/prototype having 3 engines is eventually proven to be accurate in the final, production model - It does bring a huge question mark on the viability for such aircraft to be carrier-capable, given the size and weight restrictions for warplanes meant for carrier-based operations. As a matter of fact, I honestly don't think the PLAN will be happy to not operate J-XDs of their own, especially once the USN equips their CVNs with F/A-XXs.

Hence, if the 3-engine-on-Chengdu-J-XD claim is proven to be accurate - Then I do believe that China does need a smaller-sized (but definitely at least J-20/F-23-sized), twin-engine J-XD for use onboard the PLAN carriers.

Cost-versus-combat effectiveness is also another major factor at play here. If a smaller, twin-engine J-XD can already meaningfully cover 2IC without mid-air refueling, perhaps there is less need for a larger, three-engine J-XD as well relative to the former.
3 Engine configuration fighter means we will definitely have second 6th gen from SAC.. we are entering in new era so carrier operation cannot be neglected..
 

Red tsunami

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Well CAC is making the 6th gen right? So maiden flight would be at the usual airstrip. Since he's dreaming about a crowd of representative from other manufacturers and they refer to J-10C as "our 10C" it should be GAIC people. Or I suppose it could also be CAC's own people mixed in with the crowd. Just curious about which of the two manufacturer gets to claim "our 10C" these days.

Anyway I digress, I doubt dreams have that much meaningful small details.
He didn't explicitly mention coming from other manufacturers, only referring to "interviewed manufacturer personnel".
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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And what is the “Chief of the Strategic Fool-You Agency” telling us? ;)

Roughly translated:

"This 5th-gen fighter (that we are developing) isn't the same as the 5th-gen fighter of other countries"
"What we are developing is not what the US meant by their 5th-gen fighter"
"What we are developing is also not what Russia meant by their 6th-gen fighter"
"We are developing improvements with the J-20 as the basis"
"If we say that the J-20 is a 4th(-gen fighter), then (the new fighter that we're developing) is more like 4.7th-gen, 4.8th-gen, something like that"
"It is an improvement variant (of the J-20)"
"But then, the internet has been passing around the news for quite a while now (that China is developing a 5th-gen fighter)"
"What we actually mean is J-20G
"But the internet make it as if (the new plane) is China's 5th-gen fighter"
"Who says that (the 5th-gen fighter jet) is easy to develop?"
"The US spends like (more than) 10 years developing the NGAD"
"China isn't yet planning to develop its 5th-gen fighter, but (the internet) is claiming/bragging that (China is developing a 5th-gen fighter)"
"(China developing a 5th-gen fighter) is basically an impossibility"

1. The generation classification of fighters jets implied in the text for the Chinese and American fighter jets are actually referring to the Chinese (and the previous US) classification standards, i.e. F-22 and J-20 being 4th-gen fighters instead of 5th-gen fighters.
2. Bolded phrases are edited phrases from the original dialogue text of the original TV interview session.
3. Bracketed phrases are added for context.
 
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