PLA next/6th generation fighter thread

[Deino]

Well, I ain't complaining either way. Something big is coming anyways.

Well, most likely since I'm not able to read as good as you "between the lines" and understand small subtle hints and even more since too often high expectations have been disappointed I'm still reluctant to put a bottle of champagne already in the fridge!

 

[siegecrossbow]

Yankeesama confirms three engine design in cryptic post.

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[Deino]

Yankeesama confirms three engine design in cryptic post.

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Just for the record ...

 

[Temstar]

Yankeesama confirms three engine design in cryptic post.

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This word "奇观", Yankee has repeatedly used it to describe the 6th gen. I don't think "spectacle" quite captures the meaning, it's more commonly used these days to mean "Wonder" in the "Seven Wonders of the World" sense. Here's an example:

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This word and this particularly usage was popularised by 4X/Paradox Studio games where building a major end game item could be game winning conditions in of themselves or confer major buff to your entire faction. For example I see the word being used to describe Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces due to its artistic merit.

Yankee would not have used this word lightly.

I wonder about this part "我们那么好的10C 被他们飞成什么样子了". I'm guessing in his dream those are GAIC reps?

 

[Deino]

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I wonder about this part "我们那么好的10C 被他们飞成什么样子了". I'm guessing in his dream those are GAIC reps?

Thanks a lot for your explanations - which makes it even more interesting - however could you explain that J-10C-part a bit more?

"我们那么好的10C 被他们飞成什么样子了" = "What a mess our excellent 10C has been made of by them." makes not really much sense to me?!

 

[Temstar]

Thanks a lot for your explanations - which makes it even more interesting - however could you explain that J-10C-part a bit more?

"我们那么好的10C 被他们飞成什么样子了" = "What a mess our excellent 10C has been made of by them." makes not really much sense to me?!

Well CAC is making the 6th gen right? So maiden flight would be at the usual airstrip. Since he's dreaming about a crowd of representative from other manufacturers and they refer to J-10C as "our 10C" it should be GAIC people. Or I suppose it could also be CAC's own people mixed in with the crowd. Just curious about which of the two manufacturer gets to claim "our 10C" these days.

Anyway I digress, I doubt dreams have that much meaningful small details.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Yankeesama confirms three engine design in cryptic post.

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Just for the record ...

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Considering the initial claim from last week that China's (and very likely to be Chengdu AC's) J-XD concept/technology demonstrator/prototype will have three engines + Given that it's not just Cute Orca, but also Ayi, Shenhua, @万年炎帝 and now even Yankee who also touched upon the original post prior to deletion + The (apparent) repeated touch-ons of the same point today.

Combining all the information obtained so far (including possible Shenyang AC's counterpart to follow suit in early next year), and disregarding the discussion of how a three-engine combat warplane should perform - Could there will actually be three main categories of manned combat warplanes for China's 6th-gen air combat systems going forward?

Namely:

Aircraft Model	J-XD2	J-XD1	H-20
Aircraft Corporation	Shenyang	Chengdu	Xi'an
Relative Size Example	(Y)F-23	F-111	B-2
MTOW	30+ tons - 40+ tons	50+ tons - 60+ tons	170+ tons - 200+ tons
Engines	2x WS-10C/15-based or ACE-based WS-XX, afterburning	3x WS-10C/15-based or ACE-based WS-XX, afterburning	4x WS-18/10C/15-based or ACE-based WS-XX, non-afterburning
Combat Radius, Unrefueled	2IC	2IC - 2.5IC	2IC - 2.5IC
Payload Capacity, Internal	<~10 tons	~10-20 tons	~20-30 tons
Primary Role	Fighter	Fighter	Strategic Bomber
Secondary Role	Strike Aircraft	Tactical Bomber	Tactical Bomber
End Users	PLAAF, PLAN (carrier-capable)	PLAAF	PLAAF

Of course, this is just my own 脑洞大开 moment on the matter based on currently-available circumstantial information, so kindly take these with a huge scoop of sodium chloride.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Considering the initial claim from last week ago that China's (and very likely to be Chengdu AC's) J-XD concept/technology demonstrator/prototype will have three engines + Given that it's not just Cute Orca, but also Ayi, Shenhua, @万年炎帝 and now even Yankee who also touched upon the original post prior to deletion - Plus the apparent repeated touch-ons of the same point today.

Combining all the information obtained so far, and disregarding the discussion of how a three-engine combat warplane should perform - Could there will actually be three main categories of manned combat warplanes for China's 6th-gen air combat systems going forward?

Namely:

Characteristics	J-XD2	J-XD1	H-20
Aircraft Corporation	Shenyang	Chengdu	Xi'an
Relative Size Example	F-23	F-111	B-2
MTOW	30+ tons - 40+ tons	50+ tons - 60+ tons	170+ tons - 200+ tons
Engines	2x WS-10C/15-based or ACE-based WS-XX, afterburning	3x WS-10C/15-based or ACE-based WS-XX, afterburning	4x WS-18/10C/15-based or ACE-based WS-XX, non-afterburning
Combat Radius, Unrefueled	2IC	2IC - 2.5IC	2IC - 2.5IC
Payload Capacity, Internal	~10-20 tons	<~10 tons	~20-30 tons
Primary Role	Fighter	Fighter	Strategic Bomber
Secondary Role	Strike Aircraft	Tactical Bomber	Tactical Bomber
End Users	PLAAF, PLAN (carrier-capable)	PLAAF	PLAAF

Of course, this is just my own 脑洞大开 moment on the matter based on currently-available circumstantial information, so kindly take these with a huge scoop of salt.

I’m interested in how the inlet configuration will work for a tri-engine design.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Thanks a lot for your explanations - which makes it even more interesting - however could you explain that J-10C-part a bit more?

"我们那么好的10C 被他们飞成什么样子了" = "What a mess our excellent 10C has been made of by them." makes not really much sense to me?!

Well CAC is making the 6th gen right? So maiden flight would be at the usual airstrip. Since he's dreaming about a crowd of representative from other manufacturers and they refer to J-10C as "our 10C" it should be GAIC people. Or I suppose it could also be CAC's own people mixed in with the crowd. Just curious about which of the two manufacturer gets to claim "our 10C" these days.

Anyway I digress, I doubt dreams have that much meaningful small details.

Could the "10C" actually refers to the WS-10C engine? Two months ago, Cute Orca hinted that the the J-XD concept/technology demonstrator/prototype at Chengdu will be powered by WS-10(C)s.



The WS-10 family originates from Shenyang - And the recent post in question by Yankee didn't mention about Guiyang either.

 

[sequ]

I’m interested in how the inlet configuration will work for a tri-engine design.

Sounds like it's going to sacrifice maneuverability for range/endurance. Not that maneuverability is important in this age of highly advanced senors and long range missiles.