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Tetrach

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The italian 76mm gun has the advantage of using DART guided-rounds for high-end anti-missile purpose (the Strales version). BAE 57mm has roughly similar use with the ORKA rounds. Those can be considered as true CIWS.

Neither the chineses nor the russians have similar capabilities. Their main guns can easely do overall anti-air warfare against planes and helicopters, but their use against missiles should be extremely limited.
 
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Tam

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Tetrach said:
The italian 76mm gun has the advantage of using DART guided-rounds for high-end anti-missile purpose (the Strales version). BAE 57mm has roughly similar use with the ORKA rounds. Those can be considered as true CIWS.

Neither the chineses nor the russians have similar capabilities. Their main guns can easely do overall anti-air warfare against planes and helicopters, but their use against missiles should be extremely limited.
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Just because its not mentioned does not mean its not there.

Original AK-176 does not have it.
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So did early versions of the H/PJ-26.

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But later versions of the H/PJ-26 started sporting a small radar above the gun barrel, which is indicative of guided projectiles.

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Suffice to say, this has become the definitive and most seen version of the gun.
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Compare it with the H/PJ-38 and the MK110 57mm which also do.

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Just a nice image of a beach landing...

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Tetrach

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Tam said:
Just because its not mentioned does not mean its not there.

Original AK-176 does not have it.
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So did early versions of the H/PJ-26.

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But later versions of the H/PJ-26 started sporting a small radar above the gun barrel, which is indicative of guided projectiles.

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Suffice to say, this has become the definitive and most seen version of the gun.
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Compare it with the H/PJ-38 and the MK110 57mm which also do.

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These are not for shell guidance, these are muzzle velocity radars. You can find similar equipments on ground SPGs.
 
Gloire_bb

Gloire_bb

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ougoah said:
AShM pretty much nearly always will be coming from one side, if they are coming from both sides, no amount of RAM or CIWS is going to saving you because your fleet is probably sinking at this point
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It's a wrong assumption.
Attack profiles can be very different and are target-dependant. So can be situations: tight, interlocking, mutually suporting AA formation is just one of many possibilities where you can find yourself under attack.

If enemy knows that your ship can't deal with multi-directional engagements very well - get ready for "star attack". If he knows, say, that due to physical limitations your defense will be hard-pressed to engage tightly-packed "sausage" of missiles(for example - active radar seekers) - this can happen, too.
 
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ougoah

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Gloire_bb said:
It's a wrong assumption.
Attack profiles can be very different and are target-dependant. So can be situations: tight, interlocking, mutually suporting AA formation is just one of many possibilities where you can find yourself under attack.

If enemy knows that your ship can't deal with multi-directional engagements very well - get ready for "star attack". If he knows, say, that due to physical limitations your defense will be hard-pressed to engage tightly-packed "sausage" of missiles(for example - active radar seekers) - this can happen, too.
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True overall and I was unfair because most situation what you've said is the case but for the SCS and ECS, I can't imagine PLAN fleets being flanked given the density of PLAN ships operating. Has its ups and downs.
 
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