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Iron Man said:

Really? How many others?

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. And .

Meh, just a few haters.

Iron Man said:

Meh, just a few haters.

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I don't hate it. And you'll find most objectors don't hate it, either. It's a good ship with world-class combat prowess (assuming the crew's any good) but looks goofy as f*ck.

Same with the J-20's side profile. It makes it look like J---------20 instead of J-20. Aesthetically, the dunce cap and J-20's side profile just doesn't do it for me, and many others.

I mean "haters" in a jocular sense, but in any case each to his own.

A demand it would be more sympathetic and for a better understanding not to use too much Anglo-Saxon familiar expressions all the members are not native English speakers in more some use it to fool abbreviated in addition the last point just for mentioned...all is quiet cool

jobjed said:

Same with the J-20's side profile. It makes it look like J---------20 instead of J-20.

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LOL! Sorry this is off-topic, but I can't help it.

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Ce que l'on sait sur le missile naval YJ-18...

Translated from French by

What is known about the naval missile YJ-18...



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Yeah, Hobart is an ugly design. Also it's called a destroyer because it replaces our former Charles F. Adams-class air defence destroyers (the upgraded FFG-7s were an interim solution). By all accounts our future 'frigates' are going to be just as large and capable as the Hobart 'destroyers'.

Lethe said:

Yeah, Hobart is an ugly design. Also it's called a destroyer because it replaces our former Charles F. Adams-class air defence destroyers (the upgraded FFG-7s were an interim solution). By all accounts our future 'frigates' are going to be just as large and capable as the Hobart 'destroyers'.

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Which begs the question why built another class of warship that is similiar in capability to the Horbat. Why not built more of the same with improvement on each follow on ship, learning from the last built and having economy of scale. Just wait and see the new class of frigates is going to end up being way over budget and some well connected Aussie getting rich.

Yes, we have managed things very poorly. Partly this is due to a lack of consensus here about the desirability of maintaining domestic industry. Unlike many other nations, Australia has not committed to sustaining domestic industry as a strategic imperative. This is largely due to Liberal free market ideology that, although looking favourably upon military spending, is hostile to the manufacturing industry (because it tends to be unionised) and to government spending in general. As an expression of this, our domestic car industry dating back 70 years literally died

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. There is reason to believe we have seen the high-water mark of such short-sighted neoliberalism, and the new National Shipbuilding Strategy is certainly a significant step forward.