Pla Marines

You still have some over 1.2 billion people, and with those numbers, there are people who are going to be educated and patriotic enough.

What it also means in general is that the PLA would have to downsize, be smaller but more professional, and be able to afford paying the salaries.

If you have to train up people from a less educated rural base to run more sophisticated weapons system, it can be done but the process will take longer. This is one reason why the PLA in general has not moved faster in modernization and is quite well behind digesting what the Chinese defense industry can produce in terms of technology level and numbers. In other words, while they seem to have no problems making all sorts of advanced ships, tanks and planes now, they seem to have problems however, finding and training the people to operate them. If they have to work from a lower educated base, the integration times from the time the system is adopted to its commissioning takes longer. I remember hearing one anecdote, that they like running ships like the new Sovremannies (956EM) over the 052C because the latter is much more complicated. This does not bode well for the PLAN if the PLAN wants to commission more sophisticated fleet air defense destroyers.

The PLAMC as it is right now is is not a very big group, so I think it won't be downsized and it can afford to pick the best from the PLA and the PLAN. Although this probably means you won't see an expansion of it either.

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PLA marines vs US marines

Norfolk,

could you please fix the link to the RAND study on the first page. It does not work anymore. Cheers,

Siegfried

Siegfried said:

Norfolk,

could you please fix the link to the RAND study on the first page. It does not work anymore. Cheers,

Siegfried

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I tried the link, and it takes you straight to the search page for RAND. Yes, the link itself seems to be no longer able to take you straight to the article, but do the following to get it:

1. Click on the existing link, it will take you to the Search Page of RAND.

2. In the Search Box, enter: People's Liberation Army Navy Marines. Up to six pages of 20 results each will be brought up. The article you are looking for will be on the second or third page.

3. The article you are looking for is called:

The Organization of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), by Bernard D. Cole

Another article to try on about the third or fourth page of search results is:

PLA Ground Forces: Moving Towards a Smaller, More Rapidly Deployable, Modern Combined Armed Force, by Dennis J. Blasko.

This article provides little specific information of the PLAN Marine Corps, but it gives a good idea of the PLA as a whole (and the PLAN Marines shares much in common with the PLA generally).

There are two or three more articles on other PLA/PLAN topics that are more general and less spcific to this topic.

Thanks Norfolk,

thats great! I will look into those. Also thanks for the other article recommendation, too. Blasko is a familiar name

Siegfried

美國友邦 said:

how are they in similar, you can decide

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PLA marines vs US marines

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The PLAN Marines are clearly much superior in physical fitness to regular USMC, but we already knew that from our own SinoDefence site information. What we would like to know is the level of practical field skills and the overall level of professionalism.
We are already aware that the PLAN Marine Corps is somewhat more akin to the Royal Marines, who are full-fledged Commando Forces, whereas the US Marine Corps (and apologies to the USMC, especially as this is not their role,for most of them anyway) are conventional infantry. We already have, from our own sources, a fair amount of information on which to form preliminary conclusions about such comparisons. But something far more substantive than a show video is required. Professional discussion requires solid evidence and professional analysis.

It would be a good video to post instead on the Chinese Military Pictures Forum, though.

Siegfried:

You're welcome, and I see that you are familiar with Blasko. If so, I suspect that you may find a few more familiar names alongside his.

Physical fitness is one thing but tactics and weapons training are crucial. It is no good if you lack in tactics but are fit, you will get shot. And a dead marine or wounded marine isnt good. Doesnt matter how fit you are tactics is more important. But yes physical performance is STILL important.

NOT REFERRING TO ANY NATIONS MARINES

I am inclined to say that both are (almost) equally important. If your tactics and weapons training is great but you cannot carry yourself, let alone your gear, you are worthless as a soldier. You need to be used to apply those tactics and weapon skills under physical stress. There needs to be a good mix between physical fitness with an emphasis on endurance (achieved through aerobic exercises) rather than pure muscle (anaerobic). It's the classic "tri-athlete vs. bodybuilder"-idea.

Siegfried

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In short, whatever the physical fitness and hand-to-hand combat abilities of the PLAN Marines, their professional standards may still be somewhat shaky, and not necessarily comparable to their Western counterparts.

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i'll have to question that assertion there. there is a difference in standard here. a normal PLA infantry troop can prolly outpace a member of SEALs in a 10km run, while a US marine can carry more load on a march than most PLA soldiers. its simply different emphasis on training as a result in combat doctrine. the PLA focuses more on stuff like infiltration and moving through tough terrain behind enemy lines, you need speed and agility,you wouldnt want to carry 100lb on your back that'd just make you live targets if the enemy spots you.
in many infantry units the soldiers do up to 1000 push ups per day (accumulative lol not in one go) and run up to 15km (also accumulative). so when it comes to agility i think PLA soldiers are prolly unmatched

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but from what I heard, all PLA Marine were not recruited from civilian, but from the PLA infantry. only the best in PLA infantry can be tested and become a PLA Marine, since the Marine in PLA is really small, they can be really picky about chosing the right men.

Personally I never served in the USMC but I have at least 3 friends that is in the MC. they first go though a 3 month basic. from what I heard the 3 month compared to the PLAMC training is easier, just about 3 mails every day, couple hundred pushup a day, M-16 training (no pistol or M-14, SAW) just M-16 only for weapon's training. basic martial art. 10 miles or so 70lb hiking, and that is the basic...
then they will go into the combat training in san deigo which is more tactnical.

From the rumors I heard from a friend that served in the PLA that some of the training the Marine have, 50 pushup under 1 min 10 times a day, 20 k run, 100 pull up, droped off by a ship and have to swim back to a island that is about 5 k away, very hard martial art traning, island surival. hold breath at least for 3 min. stuff like that,,,,

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i know i might be off topic,but the Canadian forces would have more than just m-16/c7 training on its basic course so i would say USMC isnt that much better than everyone else.

what i heard about the PLA (this is for PLA cat A unit but i am pretty sure it applies to the marines as well since marines prolly have harder training) is that they do 2 3mile/5km runs a day, 1000-2000 pushups (accumulatively), xxx situps, 400m obstacle course, tactical training (i guess like section attacks and stuff like that) and maybe weapons training. and best of all, SHOW PARADE lol i am sure every army does this though...and hates it