PLA involvement in the Vietnam War

bluewater2012

Junior Member
I always get irritated whenever I speak about the Vietnam War and when I mention one major reason they (Vietnamese -but understandably) won the war was because of China support/involvement in the war but I always get the bs comment. Now I finally found a source to back that up and I will quote some of the interesting details.

Decisive battle of Dien Bien Phu

By 1954 “Giap and the Chinese had built a tough, well-equipped, experienced, and dedicated army-a tool awaiting a great task and a master craftsman.” [34] The great task would be the decisive battle of Dien Bien Phu in western Vietnam near Laos, a battle that would end the First Vietnam War and the French presence in Indochina. Evidence suggests that the Vietnamese leadership did not see the opportunity provided by the French reoccupation of the valley until Chinese advisors alerted the Vietnamese, who initially wanted to move through Laos to invade South Vietnam, until convinced otherwise by General Wei Guoqing. [35] Additionally the CMAG would provide the Viet Mihn with a copy of the Navarre Plan, outlining French goals and objectives by the new French Commander in Vietnam.

With the signing of the Korean Armistice in July 1953 China could and would shift additional resources to Vietnam. Specific support provided for the Dien Bien Phu campaign would include planning, logistics, engineering advisors, trucks, rocket and 75mm recoilless rifle battalions, and Soviet Katyusha Rocket Launchers or “Stalin Organs.” A combined headquarters was established as the Dien Bien Phu Campaign Command with General Giap as Commander in Chief with Chinese General Wei Guoqing as General Advisor. [36]

Giap wrote years after the battle that “I felt there needed to be a meeting with the head of the team of friendly military experts who was also present. Generally speaking, relationships between us and friendly military experts ever since the Border Campaign had been excellent. Our friends had given us the benefit of their invaluable experience drawn from the revolutionary war in China and the anti-US war in Korea.” [37] It is interesting that in his account of the battle Giap makes no mention of Chinese material support or advice and planning assistance provided throughout this decisive last battle of the First Vietnam War. The Chinese advisors, such as General Wei Guoqing, are not identified or given any credit by Giap. Perhaps this is understandable given that one of the Chinese advisors would write later that “The greatest shortcoming of the Vietnamese Communists was their fear of letting other people know their weaknesses. They lacked Bolshevist self-criticism.” [38] The siege of Dien Bien Phu was to last 8 weeks with China providing 8,286 tons of supplies, including 4,620 tons of petroleum, 1,360 tons of ammunition, 46 tons of weapons and 1,700 tons of rice from supply depots 600 miles away. [39]

Chinese advisors would be involved at all levels during the battle including digging in the all important Vietnamese artillery into shellproof dugouts, experience learned the hard way in the hills of Korea. [40] In effect the battle of Dien Bien Phu would be planned and assisted by Chinese advisors and fought with Chinese trained, equipped, supplied, transported and fed PAVN troops in a military soup to nuts manner. This support is rarely mentioned as a contributing factor to the Vietnamese victory in 1954 but should be acknowledged in analyzing the battle.
[51] Recent Chinese sources indicate that this PLA AAA Division did indeed operate in the western area of North Vietnam. [52] In addition to AAA forces the PLA also provided missiles, artillery and logistics, railroad, engineer and mine sweeping forces. These forces would not only man AAA sites but would also build and repair Vietnamese infrastructure damaged or destroyed by U.S. airstrikes. [53] Such units would have quite a bit of repair work to do given that there would be more than a million tons of bombs dropped by U.S. aircraft upon North Vietnam from 1965 to 1972. [54] The Second Vietnam War would drag on for years as a sort of operational stalemate existed in the skies over North Vietnam. The U.S. could and did bomb the North at will, but the sheer numbers of Chinese forces, to include a total of 16 AAA divisions serving with a peak strength of 170,000 troops attained in 1967, would ensure that a high price would be paid by U.S. pilots with targets often rapidly rebuilt after destruction. [55] Chinese engineering and logistics units would perform impressive feats of construction throughout their stay in North Vietnam effectively keeping the transportation network functioning.

Just some of the interesting details, source:
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Lezt

Junior Member
There is no reason to get upset,

It is only logical that Vietnam, isolated by the sea and on land by Burma and China can only received war material through these two countries.

Burma with its pro Chinese relationship and limited logistical networks, if war material did not come from or travel through China, how could it land in North Vietnam when the US had supremacy over the seas?

Without war material, how can Vietnam fight a war? If they cannot fight a war, how can they win one?

Its all logical.
 

raider1001

New Member
According to the book China's Road to the Korean War: the Makng of Sino-American Confrontation by Chen Jian, Chinese support for Vietnam began on March 13, 1950 - before the Korean War even got started. Soon, a huge chunk of PLA Third Army was operating in Vietnam as advisers for the Viet Minh. Vietnam was regard by Mao as one front in a three fronts war against the United States. Korea was at the time a secondary theater with regards to Vietnam.
 

bluewater2012

Junior Member
According to the book China's Road to the Korean War: the Makng of Sino-American Confrontation by Chen Jian, Chinese support for Vietnam began on March 13, 1950 - before the Korean War even got started. Soon, a huge chunk of PLA Third Army was operating in Vietnam as advisers for the Viet Minh. Vietnam was regard by Mao as one front in a three fronts war against the United States. Korea was at the time a secondary theater with regards to Vietnam.

Its also mention in the source I provided.

There is no reason to get upset,
I'm only upset when credit isn't given duly to China (like always) and that the Vietnamese aren't grateful aftermath. As usual, the West like to downplay China involvement in the war. Give the impression that the Vietcong are impressive fighters just like the Chinese in the Korean War except leaving out the massive human wave tactics. Even common Vietnamese won't want to acknowledge China help in the war. I'm just glad I came across this source cause now I have something to backup my claim for those who insist otherwise.
 

siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
Also keep in mind that the threat of full Chinese involvement if the United States crossed the 17th parallel prevented the Americans from launching an all out assault against North Vietnam (which would screw them over considerably, given how much devastation was caused by the B-52 bombings alone).
 

Lezt

Junior Member
We need to remember modern politics as well, traditional Chinese satellite states fears assimilation with China. In modern times, the Vietnamese have aligned themselves with Russia during the sino-russian split, and now, the USA. It just doesn't make sense for Vietnam to give credit to China when they are trying to distance themselves from China.
 

bingo

Junior Member
Not very surprising, considering the North Koreans' interpretation of the Korean War.

Yes, this is very understandable.

India had a key role in the Liberation of Bangladesh (along with Mukti Bahini).
But India's role is less acknowledged than deserved (atleast some Indians do feel that way).
 

Finn McCool

Captain
Registered Member
And America saved Western Europe from Nazis and the Soviets. And it saved South Korea from the North, yet in both places, people prefer to remember America's faults. If you're going to liberate another country, don't expect gratitude.
 

raider1001

New Member
On the flip side, the Russians still resent China for not acknowledging the Soviet air involvement during the Korean War...
 
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