Take whatever she says with a grain of salt, I have never heard of the HJ-20 or HJ-50 before
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That account is utterly worthless.
Hi, do you have a copy of 《中国人民解放军通用弹药图册》? I've been after it because it is referenced a lot in discussions of earlier Chinese ammunition, but I can't find an actual copy of it.
Any more info on this?
This is a surprisingly in depth and reflective article about PLA TACP/CCT/JTAC stuff.
Looks like they are are continuing to rollout and refine TACP development and efforts, and getting people from different services together to exchange ideas, including PLAAF, but also PLAN.
It also talks about liaising with industry to develop better equipment, and there's a mention about calling in naval fires as well.
Either way seems like they're taking this whole joint thing pretty seriously and pushing it down to lower echelons.
Worth a read (any machine translator will do a decent job of it).
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I do wonder what the exact track and division of roles the PLA equivalent of TACP/JTAC/FAC/CCT is.
In the US, those roles are split between different services but TACPs and CCTs are a USAF track, while JTAC is more of a general qualification AIUI
From the article, it seems the PLA has "joint tactical controllers/guides" across all three services (PLAGF, PLAAF, PLAN), which somewhat makes sense, but I'm less sure about the training pipeline. AIUI, TACPs and CCTs are considered special warfare capable.
Looks like they are are continuing to rollout and refine TACP development and efforts, and getting people from different services together to exchange ideas, including PLAAF, but also PLAN.
It also talks about liaising with industry to develop better equipment, and there's a mention about calling in naval fires as well.
Either way seems like they're taking this whole joint thing pretty seriously and pushing it down to lower echelons.
Worth a read (any machine translator will do a decent job of it).
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I do wonder what the exact track and division of roles the PLA equivalent of TACP/JTAC/FAC/CCT is.
In the US, those roles are split between different services but TACPs and CCTs are a USAF track, while JTAC is more of a general qualification AIUI
From the article, it seems the PLA has "joint tactical controllers/guides" across all three services (PLAGF, PLAAF, PLAN), which somewhat makes sense, but I'm less sure about the training pipeline. AIUI, TACPs and CCTs are considered special warfare capable.
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I'm getting very tired of these back and forths.
Fundamentally, it needs to be accepted that the PLA often displays incompetence in aspects of basic infantry skills or small arms handling. That has been established for a long time.
It is annoying to see aggressive attacks against such displays so consistently -- but it is even more annoying to see people defend such incompetent displays by excusing away such actions as if they are acceptable or as if they are doing some 4dimensional joke/reference/meme.
There is a correct way to deal with aggressive attacks against PLA infantry/small arms incompetence -- it is by acknowledging said incompetence by criticizing such aggressive attacks as unnecessary and too much.
But it seems few people do that, and when these kind of posts take up multiple pages equivalent of back and forth, it just wastes everyone's time.
So, I am writing this post here to lay down what I expect going forwards, and I am tagging various people who have been involved in some way in the most recent altercation (but this post applies not only to the people tagged, but rather everyone), as follows:
- @by78, Stop aggressively criticizing PLA infantry/small arms incompetence. In fact, it would be easier for everyone if you just stopped talking about PLA infantry/small arms in general because it seems you just aren't able to help yourself. I don't care how true it is that PLA infantry and small arms competence is lacking -- you have displayed an inability to keep your emotions in check on this matter.
- @QIUSIYU, @Aniah, @sabiothailand, @Zhejiang, @plawolf -- Stop defending PLA infantry/small arms incompetence or trying to excuse it. It is an established fact that there are frequent displays of PLA infantry/small arms incompetence in the same way that it is an established fact that J-20 is powered by two turbofans or that 003 has EM catapults. I understand being frustrated at overly aggressive critiques of PLA infantry/small arms incompetence but trying to excuse it or defend it or wave it away is equally as bad. There is no other option to have constructive discussion other than to accept the reality of PLA infantry/small arms incompetence being frequently displayed, and to ask that such discussions are done in a way that is less emotive and less aggressive.
I have deleted virtually all posts relevant to this prior back and forth.
(There are also some people whose posts I deleted, who I think made reasonable arguments without being excessive in either direction, but I deleted nonetheless for continuity's sake)
There is a correct way to talk about this topic and I hope people can abide by it.
Next time people will get breaks from the forum.
Blue Sword 2025
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