That's either unrealistic or bad tactics concentrating AA units like that instead of dispersing them.
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That's either unrealistic or bad tactics concentrating AA units like that instead of dispersing them.
You'd think they'd be more dispersed... but during many drills and even real operations in some western militaries, SAM batteries are often clustered together in organizational units of relatively close proximity. I think only certain types of drills would require more thorough dispersal.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
I think dispersal depends on tactic/strategy and geography.
If they were employing shoot-and-scoot ambush tactics, obviously dispersal is a must.
However, if they wanted to establish a sort of a bastion of hardened, layered defences and put up a big, "thou shall not pass" sign, around say key static installations, concentrating your long range launchers could make sense if you got other assets like LD2000 CIWS, HQ7 short range SAMs and the like providing point defence to your longer ranged systems.
In that instance, dispersing your long range SAMs would multiple the number of short ranged systems needed to adequately protect them and/or dilute the effectiveness of the point defences for those assets placed near the edges of the point defence zone.
In an open desert environment as those pictures showed, dispersal may also be less effective as you either have no natural cover to exploit to hide your assets with or those natural cover are too sparsely placed to easily take advantage of, so a stand-and-fight approach may be more effective.
If they were employing shoot-and-scoot ambush tactics, obviously dispersal is a must.
However, if they wanted to establish a sort of a bastion of hardened, layered defences and put up a big, "thou shall not pass" sign, around say key static installations, concentrating your long range launchers could make sense if you got other assets like LD2000 CIWS, HQ7 short range SAMs and the like providing point defence to your longer ranged systems.
In that instance, dispersing your long range SAMs would multiple the number of short ranged systems needed to adequately protect them and/or dilute the effectiveness of the point defences for those assets placed near the edges of the point defence zone.
In an open desert environment as those pictures showed, dispersal may also be less effective as you either have no natural cover to exploit to hide your assets with or those natural cover are too sparsely placed to easily take advantage of, so a stand-and-fight approach may be more effective.
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We do not know what the PLAAF was testing or exercising in that instance..
But the PLAAF did...and they set up their exercise accordingly.
For all we know, perhaps they had several such areas in strength like this, dispersed at critical locations across a broad area, because they were exercising against massed attacks against entire divisions or complete army group.
We just don't know.
Depends entirely on the parameters of the exercise and its scenario(s).
We do not know what the PLAAF was testing or exercising in that instance..
But the PLAAF did...and they set up their exercise accordingly.
For all we know, perhaps they had several such areas in strength like this, dispersed at critical locations across a broad area, because they were exercising against massed attacks against entire divisions or complete army group.
We just don't know.
broadsword
Brigadier
New ultrafast helicopters might be ready by 2025
July 10, 2015
Aircraft has potential to help with tasks like counterterrorism, search and rescue
China should produce prototypes of its two ultrafast helicopters within the next decade, the country's chief helicopter designer said.
"The development of advanced, new-concept helicopters has been included in national aviation industry plans and related experiments such as the wind tunnel tests are underway," said Wu Ximing, chief helicopter designer at Aviation Industry Corp of China.
"We expect to produce some proof-of-concept prototypes within the coming four to five years to examine their design and to conduct some test flights," he said. "Then we plan to make production prototypes before 2025."
Aviation Industry Corp of China debuted models of several new-concept helicopters at the Second China Helicopter Expo in September 2013. Among the exhibits were the Blue Whale tilt rotor aircraft and the unmanned Jueying-8 helicopter. Both are still being developed by the company's Helicopter Research and Development Institute.
The Blue Whale's edge will be its ultrafast speed－700 kilometers per hour, which is twice the top speed of most current helicopters.
The Jueying-8 will be an unmanned, high-speed helicopter. Designers hope its shuttle-shaped structure will enable it to achieve a maximum speed of 400 km/h. The unique design will also make the helicopter less detectable by radar.
Wu Peixin, an editor at Aerospace Knowledge magazine, said the projects show China has expertise in the development of composite materials, aerodynamics and helicopter engines.
Song Zhongping, a military affairs commentator, told Qianjiang Evening News of Zhejiang province that ultrafast helicopters will have huge potential in counterterrorism and anti-submarine tasks and maritime search and rescue. Their high speed will be helpful for them to evade anti-aircraft weapons, he added.
July 10, 2015
Policemen transfer injured passengers from a bus accident to a hospital in Shanghai using helicopters on Nov 3, 2014. This is the first time for the police in China to use helicopters in rescue operation. [Photo/chinanews.com]Aircraft has potential to help with tasks like counterterrorism, search and rescue
China should produce prototypes of its two ultrafast helicopters within the next decade, the country's chief helicopter designer said.
"The development of advanced, new-concept helicopters has been included in national aviation industry plans and related experiments such as the wind tunnel tests are underway," said Wu Ximing, chief helicopter designer at Aviation Industry Corp of China.
"We expect to produce some proof-of-concept prototypes within the coming four to five years to examine their design and to conduct some test flights," he said. "Then we plan to make production prototypes before 2025."
Aviation Industry Corp of China debuted models of several new-concept helicopters at the Second China Helicopter Expo in September 2013. Among the exhibits were the Blue Whale tilt rotor aircraft and the unmanned Jueying-8 helicopter. Both are still being developed by the company's Helicopter Research and Development Institute.
The Blue Whale's edge will be its ultrafast speed－700 kilometers per hour, which is twice the top speed of most current helicopters.
The Jueying-8 will be an unmanned, high-speed helicopter. Designers hope its shuttle-shaped structure will enable it to achieve a maximum speed of 400 km/h. The unique design will also make the helicopter less detectable by radar.
Wu Peixin, an editor at Aerospace Knowledge magazine, said the projects show China has expertise in the development of composite materials, aerodynamics and helicopter engines.
Song Zhongping, a military affairs commentator, told Qianjiang Evening News of Zhejiang province that ultrafast helicopters will have huge potential in counterterrorism and anti-submarine tasks and maritime search and rescue. Their high speed will be helpful for them to evade anti-aircraft weapons, he added.
Looks like a tandem Osprey.
We talked about this a lot, but finally the news from China
中国飞行员对巴基斯坦优势扩大 演习多次一边倒 The advantages of Chinese pilots over Pakistan getting wider, in many exercises repeatedly one sided
Please help me to translate this (my auto translation is not working)
2015-07-13 09:53:30 观察者网 华一谦
演习中，蓝军一架歼-11B战机从山谷中超低空飞过
巴基斯坦空军飞行员的优秀飞行素质众所周知，但在最近几年的中巴联合对抗演习中，中国飞行员对巴基斯坦的优势在不断拉大，甚至不止一次出现过一边倒的战例。西北大漠里的中国“蓝军”不仅让巴基斯坦人见识了中国同行的进步，更重要的是让“巴铁”们亲身经历了假想敌——苏-30MK大机群的威力，尤其是，中国“蓝军”的飞行业务水准远在印度同行之上。
甚至在与中国关系转冷之前的朝鲜，也曾经在华北接受过中国“蓝军”的辅导。因本国国内缺乏油料的关系，朝鲜飞行员的飞行时间往往很有限。他们虽然拥有米格-29这种第三代战斗机，但由于型号偏老，不少朝鲜飞行员还没见过现代战机“平显”实物。当第一次面对着电门开关大大减少的玻璃座舱和“手不离杆”的HOTAS系统时，不知所措是他们的第一反应。但在中国“蓝军”的辅导下，前来中国受训的朝鲜飞行员不论是在身体素质还是飞行业务水平上都有了一定的提高，不少人还第一次演练了歼-7大机群编队飞行，对信息化条件下的作战与生活都有了初步的认识。
总而言之，这支专业航空兵蓝军部队的诞生，不仅意味着中国空军拥有了能够与美国第64“侵略者”假想敌中队相提并论的“磨刀石”，而且标志着中国“蓝军”部队正在不断向职业化的方向迈进，从中不难看出中国军队训练实战化的决心。
中国飞行员对巴基斯坦优势扩大 演习多次一边倒 The advantages of Chinese pilots over Pakistan getting wider, in many exercises repeatedly one sided
Please help me to translate this (my auto translation is not working)
2015-07-13 09:53:30 观察者网 华一谦
演习中，蓝军一架歼-11B战机从山谷中超低空飞过
巴基斯坦空军飞行员的优秀飞行素质众所周知，但在最近几年的中巴联合对抗演习中，中国飞行员对巴基斯坦的优势在不断拉大，甚至不止一次出现过一边倒的战例。西北大漠里的中国“蓝军”不仅让巴基斯坦人见识了中国同行的进步，更重要的是让“巴铁”们亲身经历了假想敌——苏-30MK大机群的威力，尤其是，中国“蓝军”的飞行业务水准远在印度同行之上。
甚至在与中国关系转冷之前的朝鲜，也曾经在华北接受过中国“蓝军”的辅导。因本国国内缺乏油料的关系，朝鲜飞行员的飞行时间往往很有限。他们虽然拥有米格-29这种第三代战斗机，但由于型号偏老，不少朝鲜飞行员还没见过现代战机“平显”实物。当第一次面对着电门开关大大减少的玻璃座舱和“手不离杆”的HOTAS系统时，不知所措是他们的第一反应。但在中国“蓝军”的辅导下，前来中国受训的朝鲜飞行员不论是在身体素质还是飞行业务水平上都有了一定的提高，不少人还第一次演练了歼-7大机群编队飞行，对信息化条件下的作战与生活都有了初步的认识。
总而言之，这支专业航空兵蓝军部队的诞生，不仅意味着中国空军拥有了能够与美国第64“侵略者”假想敌中队相提并论的“磨刀石”，而且标志着中国“蓝军”部队正在不断向职业化的方向迈进，从中不难看出中国军队训练实战化的决心。
Well, my translation rendered the following:
演习中，蓝军一架歼-11B战机从山谷中超低空飞过
巴基斯坦空军飞行员的优秀飞行素质众所周知，但在最近几年的中巴联合对抗演习中，中国飞行员对巴基斯坦的优势在不断拉大，甚至不止一次出现过一边倒的战例。西北大漠里的中国“蓝军”不仅让巴基斯坦人见识了中国同行的进步，更重要的是让“巴铁”们亲身经历了假想敌——苏-30MK大机群的威力，尤其是，中国“蓝军”的飞行业务水准远在印度同行之上。
甚至在与中国关系转冷之前的朝鲜，也曾经在华北接受过中国“蓝军”的辅导。因本国国内缺乏油料的关系，朝鲜飞行员的飞行时间往往很有限。他们虽然拥有米格-29这种第三代战斗机，但由于型号偏老，不少朝鲜飞行员还没见过现代战机“平显”实物。当第一次面对着电门开关大大减少的玻璃座舱和“手不离杆”的HOTAS系统时，不知所措是他们的第一反应。但在中国“蓝军”的辅导下，前来中国受训的朝鲜飞行员不论是在身体素质还是飞行业务水平上都有了一定的提高，不少人还第一次演练了歼-7大机群编队飞行，对信息化条件下的作战与生活都有了初步的认识。
总而言之，这支专业航空兵蓝军部队的诞生，不仅意味着中国空军拥有了能够与美国第64“侵略者”假想敌中队相提并论的“磨刀石”，而且标志着中国“蓝军”部队正在不断向职业化的方向迈进，从中不难看出中国军队训练实战化的决心。
演习中，蓝军一架歼-11B战机从山谷中超低空飞过
巴基斯坦空军飞行员的优秀飞行素质众所周知，但在最近几年的中巴联合对抗演习中，中国飞行员对巴基斯坦的优势在不断拉大，甚至不止一次出现过一边倒的战例。西北大漠里的中国“蓝军”不仅让巴基斯坦人见识了中国同行的进步，更重要的是让“巴铁”们亲身经历了假想敌——苏-30MK大机群的威力，尤其是，中国“蓝军”的飞行业务水准远在印度同行之上。
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甚至在与中国关系转冷之前的朝鲜，也曾经在华北接受过中国“蓝军”的辅导。因本国国内缺乏油料的关系，朝鲜飞行员的飞行时间往往很有限。他们虽然拥有米格-29这种第三代战斗机，但由于型号偏老，不少朝鲜飞行员还没见过现代战机“平显”实物。当第一次面对着电门开关大大减少的玻璃座舱和“手不离杆”的HOTAS系统时，不知所措是他们的第一反应。但在中国“蓝军”的辅导下，前来中国受训的朝鲜飞行员不论是在身体素质还是飞行业务水平上都有了一定的提高，不少人还第一次演练了歼-7大机群编队飞行，对信息化条件下的作战与生活都有了初步的认识。
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总而言之，这支专业航空兵蓝军部队的诞生，不仅意味着中国空军拥有了能够与美国第64“侵略者”假想敌中队相提并论的“磨刀石”，而且标志着中国“蓝军”部队正在不断向职业化的方向迈进，从中不难看出中国军队训练实战化的决心。
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