PLA AEW&C, SIGINT, EW and MPA thread

Totoro

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can one really get worthwhile results from 200-300 km away using a camera? Moisture, clouds or darkness wouldn't get in the way most of the time? I mean, sure, spy planes use cameras at such distances, but those choose the perfect conditions to go after fixed sites mostly. Enemy planes fly whenever. During the night, when skies are cloudy etc.
Anything under 200 km away would be basically useless to third parties. And anything under 300 km would put the KJ700 at too much risk.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Actually I'm confused!

Allegedly "At a certain station of the Northern Naval Air Force, the fighters were holding guns and pointing them into the sky" but this KJ-500H does not look like a regular one!

Is this actually real, or are the attempts to fool us getting crazier?

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KJ-700 in its yellow primer, photographed some time ago. Not sure if this is the exact same airframe as the one in photograph just recently in the previous couple posts. Posted by
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bebops

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My knowledge is still lagging for AEWC. Not too long ago, they introduced KJ500.. then recently I heard about KJ3000 and KJ600.. and now they made a new one called KJ700

I believed the higher the number (500 vs 600 vs 700) the stronger the capability? How does KJ3000 compare to KJ500, KJ 600 or KJ700? or What difference among them?
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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I believed the higher the number (500 vs 600 vs 700) the stronger the capability?

No, that's not how it works. The aircraft designations given to every warplane model in the PLAAF is just that - Aircraft designation.

How does KJ3000 compare to KJ500, KJ 600 or KJ700? or What difference among them?

KJ-3000 does not (yet) exist, so it's non-conductive to speculate about it at present.

KJ-700 is expected to be a major upgrade over the KJ-500, of which the KJ-500 itself is a major upgrade over the KJ-200.

KJ-600 is the carrier-based AEW(&C) aircraft. Due to its smaller size to meet carrier-based operational requirements, the KJ-600 will be inferior to its land-based counterparts in (at least) certain/some metrics.
 
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banjex

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Are we sure that rear blister on the KJ-700 is not digitally manipulated? Looks a bit sus to me.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Does seem like a strange omission? Especially with Y-9's endurance being subpar compared to airliner based AEW&C's.

To be fair to the PLAAF, pretty much most of their warplanes (other than fighters) do not have mid-air refueling capabilities. The first successful mid-air refueling for China was done between a HY-6 and a J-8II in 1991 - More than 3 decades after the US had its first KC-135 entering service with the USAF.

In the meantime, throughout much of its existence since its founding in 1949, the PLAAF was overwhelmingly focused on national territorial defense, which does not necessitate warplanes with mid-air refueling capabilities, as their home bases are often just an hour or two away. It wasn't until the beginning of this century when the PLAAF begins shifting to a dual offensive-defensive in both tactical and strategic domains, which is where long-range/expeditionary missions start to become more crucial and received more attention than before.

Speaking of the KJ-500 - From what I can gather, the endurance stats listed is around 8 hours. This would require 3 airframes in order to enable round-the-clock on-station at one specific area. However the actual number required in actual wartime scenarios will certainly be higher.

To enable sufficient 24/7 airspace monitor and control in a full-scale war, China absolutely needs more AEW&C aircrafts than it has now - In fact, way more than what the US&LC are currently planning to obtain.
 
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ismellcopium

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From what I can gather, the endurance stats listed is around 8 hours
Lol wiki says 12hr which is rather dubious. The E-3/E-7 are both around 10-11hrs, right?

But how does 8 hour endurance mean you need 3 for one area? They can just alternate, one refuels while the other loiters, surely it doesnt take that long..
 
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