PLA AEW&C, SIGINT, EW and MPA thread

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FORBIN said:
We see 5 operators after long research...! i have about 12 max for KJ-200/500, up to 15 for KJ-2000, good o_O

But few datas for radar range etc... and seems KJ-500/2000 can track 60/100 targets, engaged ?
up to 470 km for a big target, KJ-200 much less capable 300 km ? in more her radar look only on 240°.
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We've seen the KJ-2000 be mentioned with 470km, but we haven't got any numbers for KJ-200 that I remember.

However, I would hazard that we take the range and target tracking numbers with some salt, we really don't know against what kind of RCS they are for, nor do we know how they defined targets and track, and we also don't know if they've undergone any upgrades or block advancements in software since they were first introduced, or even if the original numbers were reliable to begin with.
 
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antiterror13 said:
@FORBIN ...... are you sure there are 15 KJ-2000? ... I doubt it
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Operators ofc :rolleyes: ;)

Bltizo said:
We've seen the KJ-2000 be mentioned with 470km, but we haven't got any numbers for KJ-200 that I remember.

However, I would hazard that we take the range and target tracking numbers with some salt, we really don't know against what kind of RCS they are for, nor do we know how they defined targets and track, and we also don't know if they've undergone any upgrades or block advancements in software since they were first introduced, or even if the original numbers were reliable to begin with.
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I search in several sites, Mag compare do an average ... when i can't get accurate infos...
Range for a target of 5/10 m2, 300 for 3/5 m2 for KJ-500/2000 range of A-50U about.

The best range for B-737/MESA, E-2D, Global Eye 600+, 650 km for a target of 5/10 m2, up to 180 target tracked but the 2 last with a small number of operators are less capable, problem for civil aircrafts modified max 6 operators but less expensive.

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For comparison the more powerful radars APG-77, CAPTOR-AESA, Irbis have a range of 350/400 km vs 10 m2 in general other 100/200, about 1/3 - 40 % in less vs more small targets.
 
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Jeff Head said:
There's your Sino P-3C type aircraft.

They have needed a good, long range Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) with strong ASW capabilities and it looks they are getting one now.

How many of these have been built?
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I get 2 possible in service with a new Recc Rgt of 9th Div/SSF which have also KJ-500 to Lingshui according Scramble which do very good job in general never see silly things but it is not easy with China !

Yes compared to P-3C for size same or very close also speed engines power, first infos mainly based on last Y-8
For sensors Chinese get few experience for MPA, we know their problems for ASW matter... then i don' t see an Y-8 capable as a P-8 or P-1 the best... and not equal with a P-3C, without infos i need to make a lower assessment, more safe.

But a thing almost sure get an inferior range, endurance max 10 h vs 16 P-3C a CR of 2800 vs 4500 km.
All others CR minimum 4000 km and for my notes i search..

As you have posted a view ... 8 HP in weapons bays ? external HP ? but definitely 5/ 8- 9 t of weapons can use sure torp., YJ-83, mines, depth charges, good versatile.
 
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FORBIN said:
I get 2 possible in service with a new Recc Rgt of 9th Div/SSF which have also KJ-500 to Lingshui according Scramble which do very good job in general never see silly things but it is not easy with China !

Yes compared to P-3C for size same or very close also speed engines power, first infos mainly based on last Y-8
For sensors Chinese get few experience for MPA, we know their problems for ASW matter... then i don' t see an Y-8 capable as a P-8 or P-1 the best... and not equal with a P-3C, without infos i need to make a lower assessment, more safe.

But a thing almost sure get an inferior range, endurance max 10 h vs 16 P-3C a CR of 2800 vs 4500 km.
All others CR minimum 4000 km and for my notes i search..

As you have posted a view ... 8 HP in weapons bays ? external HP ? but definitely 5/ 8- 9 t of weapons can use sure torp., YJ-83, mines, depth charges, good versatile.
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No doubt it is not up to the P-1 or-8 capabilities, or the P-3C either.

But it is far better than what the PRC has had, which in terms of any sophisticated MPA with ASW capabilities, has been next to nothing.

They are fast learners, and will get better...and now they have a platform to start gaining that expertise with.
 
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Jeff Head said:
No doubt it is not up to the P-1 or-8 capabilities, or the P-3C either.

But it is far better than what the PRC has had, which in terms of any sophisticated MPA with ASW capabilities, has been next to nothing.

They are fast learners, and will get better...and now they have a platform to start gaining that expertise with.
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I see where they are in ASW capabilities is similar to where they were in AAW capabilities over a decade ago, specifically in fleet air defense or area air defense. That is, just coming out of next to nothing. They have had since invested heavily in resources and R&D to address the severe deficiency. They have been quite successful.

We're see something similar going on with ASW capabilities now, what with bits and pieces of information we can gether. We've been seen the steady improvements and upgrades of ship-based sonar systems (056, 054A), Z-18 ASW for Liaoning (likely for 055 too), and the Y8 MPA. PLAN still lacks of a suitable ASW Helicopter for destroyers and frigates (hopefully a naval variant of Z-10 will address that). And, the upcoming Type 095 SSN should also be a big help. So they're working on all fronts: ship-based, rotary wings, fixed wings and subs.

Maybe in another decade, they will have sophisticated, all-around ASW capabilities, much as they have in AAW capabilities today.
 
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