PLA AEW&C, SIGINT, EW and MPA thread

[Hendrik_2000]

AWACS, Airborne Early Warning and Control System. what you mentioned is Early Warning, you left out the control part. just like commanders on the ground directing troops, it has to command its air wing in the air, that's the part I was talking about when it comes to experience. Airframe itself will surly improve as time moves on.

So what is the different between ground control commander and airborne control commander None whatsoever . It depend on the quality of air wing commander and has nothing to do with AWAC

 

[hardware]

So what is the different between ground control commander and airborne control commander None whatsoever . It depend on the quality of air wing commander and has nothing to do with AWAC

what about the downing helos carrying US secretary of commerce by F-15c in bosnia in 1997(?),internal report blame on the AWACS operator.

 

[tphuang]

So what is the different between ground control commander and airborne control commander None whatsoever . It depend on the quality of air wing commander and has nothing to do with AWAC

PLAAF doesn't have the same experience in commanding and controlling a large strike force like USAF does. It is also developing new aerial combat tactics and formations through the many training program it has. There is a reason that USAF got upset that Turkish air force had an exercise with China. They don't want to China see the training, formations and tactics of a NATO air force.

But China is learning these things through its various red flag exercises and training with other air force. If anything, I think this is one area that China really should be training a lot with PAF on. Both are in the beginning stages of operating AWACs and could learn a lot from each other.

 

[leibowitz]

You are of all people need to check your fact first You said they only operate for few years. It is actually 8 years sinne officially operational . Even stupid people learn something in 8 years .

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A PLAAF KJ-2000 AWACS was photographed while making a low flying pass. Its prototype was first spotted undergoing testing in Nanjing in 2003, carrying a CFTE emblem (S/N 762). The KJ-2000 prototype was based on Russian A-50I airframe but fitted with an indigenous AEW and a C4ISR system, including ARINC429 databus, IFF and datalink. The AEW system, developed by Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology/14th Institute, is presumably similar to the Israeli Phalcon system. It was reported that the system can track 60-100 aerial targets simultaneously with a max ran

The first two KJ-2000s were handed over to PLAAF in 2005. Currently 4 KJ-2000s are stationed in Jiangsu Province, facing Japan and Taiwan (S/N 30071-30074). However further conversion from Il-76MD appears to have been halted due to the limited quantity available. Additional KJ-2000 class AWACS may depend on the import of secondhand Il-76MD/TDs as well as the availability of indigenous Y-20 transport aircraft.

In other word they have been operating this AWAC for more than 10 years. Another thing if they can design and built this thing they can operate for sure. I guess you never work in engineering office all your life that is why allthis nonsense. In the design we consider how the thing is operated. They do provide training and manual for that. Those are design requirement. and I don't know what you mean with doctrine . There is no such thing as doctrine for AWAC It is the same operation like civilian air controller alerting pilot of potential danger .So what kind of doctrine do you need. Their only doctrine is stay alive .

As soon as PLAN can land at night and carry live munition they will be ready for operation It won't take them that long

You're letting your enthusiasm take you too far here. There are huge, huge, huge amounts of tips and tricks and technicalities to master with running full-bore AWACS vs running GCI (ground control intercept, the old PLAAF model). The best I can analogize it to would be playing baseball, where the game only begins once the ball is set into motion, vs playing soccer, where the players can always jockey for position even when the ball is not around.

Add this to the nature of ELINT/EW - that is, knowing when and where to scan, when to stay silent and where to listen, and when and where to jam (or, increasingly, hack) - and the game becomes maddeningly complex. The best I can analogize that would be like learning how to play blindfolded soccer where if you take your blindfolds off you have a risk of getting shot, and only the slow fat guy on your team has eyes worth a damn while everyone else has 20/200 vision - oh, and nobody can really talk to each other without risking getting shot either.

The silver lining to all this complexity for the PLAAF, though, is that such skills are not only difficult to master, but quite easy to lose. The days of USAF planners and pilots constantly honing their skills for 500+ aircraft slaughterhouses over the entirety of Central Europe are over now - far more focus is being devoted to counterinsurgency warfare and practicing bombing runs in uncontested but civilian-dense battlespaces.

 

[leibowitz]

PLAAF doesn't have the same experience in commanding and controlling a large strike force like USAF does. It is also developing new aerial combat tactics and formations through the many training program it has. There is a reason that USAF got upset that Turkish air force had an exercise with China. They don't want to China see the training, formations and tactics of a NATO air force.

But China is learning these things through its various red flag exercises and training with other air force. If anything, I think this is one area that China really should be training a lot with PAF on. Both are in the beginning stages of operating AWACs and could learn a lot from each other.

Yep. I have yet to see China actually coordinate exercises that replicate the scale or intensity of modern air campaigns like Iraq '03.

 

[asif iqbal]

Yep. I have yet to see China actually coordinate exercises that replicate the scale or intensity of modern air campaigns like Iraq '03.

Which parts of the air warfare in 1991 or 2003 Iraq was "modern" its was a overwhelming single sided modern air force against a poorly trained, poorly equipped and even more poorly organised Iraqi air force

Anyone can look good against a ill prepared foe, China did recently did a 24 hour coverage mission using AWACS and used these assets for what they were built, that is to co-ordinate a land army and act as a control and command centre for stragtic decisions related to land forces manoeuvring, AWACS is not just for guiding aircraft and Chna has shown its not just limited to this

With KJ-2000, KJ-200, and now KJ-500 China is well on its way to forming a well integrated air warfare combat system

 

[escobar]

old pic??

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[Hendrik_2000]

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Amazing you beat me man I was about to post this picture which say a lot . Apparently the new more powerful Chinese AWAC is now entering prototype stage or is this Pakistani export? . And there are 4 or 5 of them.

t_co your post sound like taking the page of Vietnam war with on and off operation of radar. they don't that kind of thing anymore sound so outdated.

And to those naysayer that say China never command a large air wing. Well you might as forget about it the future war is not going to resemble anything like battle of Britain . It probably closer to 6 days Arab Israeli war

 

[escobar]

amazing you beat me man i was about to post this picture which say a lot . Apparently the new more powerful chinese awac is now entering prototype stage or is this pakistani export?

zdk-03 & kj-200

 

[pissybits]

old pic??

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do you guys use this guy's weibo as a source for plaaf pics?

i checked out the weibo account on the watermark and the dude is a huge plaaf fan. he's got just about every recent plaaf photo updated to this site posted.

i doubt he takes the pictures himself though and his accompanying comments don't give anything away.

just because of how on top of plaaf developments this guy seems, and the fact that he only posted this particular pic very recently and did not repost it from another user. i'd wager that it was taken very recently indeed.