PLA AEW&C, SIGINT, EW and MPA thread

[tphuang]

HI ALL

I am Fred, new to this forum.



Just wondering, I heard on news recently one of those kj2000 crashed with 40 R&D people inside, can anyone conform this?

you should've searched through this forum first, but to summarize - a Y-8 surveillence plane (most likely KJ-200) crashed due to icing problems and some 20 R&D people died and including all victims, there were probably 40 people.

 

[challenge]

40 people were killed,including a ukrainian and pakistani engineers,it later turn out base commander allowed the test to proceed,despite strick regulation that 36 maximum people allowed inside the aircraftand deicing.
after the aircraft crashed, the commander(which I forget the name) attempted to erase certain portion of flight recorder.all in all 11 people were arrested.

 

[BLUEJACKET]

I wonder if A-50s or other AWACS planes can cover carrier ops in the Arabian sea/Indian Ocean. They could be based in Pakistan, Malaysia, Bangladesh & Burma and also fly over Tibet.
"Radar "Vega-M" designed by MNIIP, Moscow, produced by NPO Vega-M. "Vega-M" is capable to track up to 50 targets simultaneously within 230 km range. Large targets (ships) are tracked within 400 km range."

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Any thoughts?

 

[bd popeye]

I wonder if A-50s or other AWACS planes can cover carrier ops in the Arabian sea/Indian Ocean. They could be based in Pakistan, Malaysia, Bangladesh & Burma and also fly over Tibet.
"Radar "Vega-M" designed by MNIIP, Moscow, produced by NPO Vega-M. "Vega-M" is capable to track up to 50 targets simultaneously within 230 km range. Large targets (ships) are tracked within 400 km range."

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Any thoughts?

That aircraft has one hell of a range. The only problem with basing it outside of the PRC is getting the rights for a military aircraft to base & overfly diffrent countries. Each country has diffrent laws reguarding overflights & basing by military aircraft. But the PRC being "frendly" with most of the nations you mentioned may not have that much difficulty doing so. However if this happens you can expect the US to respond with a watchful eye where as the USAF has a presence in the aera..

 

[BLUEJACKET]

That aircraft has one hell of a range... But the PRC being "frendly" with most of the nations you mentioned may not have that much difficulty doing so. However if this happens you can expect the US to respond with a watchful eye where as the USAF has a presence in the aera..

That's a given. Iran may also be interested in hosting PLAAF/an AWACS. As in the Cold War, the Soviets stationed their IL-38/20s, the types used by the Indian Naval Aviation now-

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in the Middle East & Vietnam to keep an eye on the US naval forces.
"Beijing concluded a deal to buy four A-50 Mainstays, first phase of program for up to eight of the aircraft. Eight would allow for two aircraft on continuous 24-hour patrol." Y-8 could also fit to this mission, since there is already operational Y-8 MARITIME PATROL version.

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And there are also some C-130s in PRC possession! Does anyone have more info. on that?

 

[tphuang]

That's a given. Iran may also be interested in hosting PLAAF/an AWACS. As in the Cold War, the Soviets stationed their IL-38/20s, the types used by the Indian Naval Aviation now-

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in the Middle East & Vietnam to keep an eye on the US naval forces.
"Beijing concluded a deal to buy four A-50 Mainstays, first phase of program for up to eight of the aircraft. Eight would allow for two aircraft on continuous 24-hour patrol." Y-8 could also fit to this mission, since there is already operational Y-8 MARITIME PATROL version.

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And there are also some C-130s in PRC possession! Does anyone have more info. on that?

bluejacket, you really have to stop posting all of these outdated links and such. China never bought an A-50 AWACS and most likely never will. It converted a A-50 airframe into its own indigenous AWACS, but that's it. But since KJ-2000 does use the same airframe as A-50 AWACS, it probably has similar range and such.

 

[BLUEJACKET]

bluejacket, you really have to stop posting all of these outdated links and such. China never bought an A-50 AWACS and most likely never will. It converted a A-50 airframe into its own indigenous AWACS, but that's it. But since KJ-2000 does use the same airframe as A-50 AWACS, it probably has similar range and such.

Sometimes old is better than new. the reason I post them is to substantiate my points and provide reference/background info., so noone will think that I'm just imagining things.
As for those A-50 AWACS, does it really matter if they never bought them? What matters is that the idea is being used!

Also, if the Russians still have TU-126 Moss in good condition they may play a role as a stop gap measure, even though

it had poor look-down capability, and was not able to track cruise missiles and other low flying objects.

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A more modern radar can always be installed on an older airframe.

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During the war with Pakistan in 1971, the Indian Moss provided critical support in helping Indian air forces evade defenses and strike Pakistani airfields,(30) as well as aiding Indian air defenses in repelling Pakistani attacks.(31) According to some accounts, Pakistani air strikes were largely ineffective, and close air support of ground operations "non-existent" due to the edge the Moss gave the Indian forces.

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Russia's Anonov AN-74 (NATO: Madcap) development of the Coaler transport version appeared headed for navy service after mid-decade. Decline of the Russian Navy's aircraft carrier fleet leaves only a single "Kuznetsov" class CTOL ship in service, thus leaving the unique t-tail installed rotodome conversion in the dustbin of aircraft designs unless a foreign country offers to further RDT&E on the design. Given the state of the Russian electronics industry, the aircraft is unlikely to have suitable over-land detection and track performance and therefore would appeal only to a client interested in a maritime air AEW&C mission.

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[Jeff Head]

I won't shed a tear if you don't read them. It's up to the moderator to tell me that, sorry

Uh...BLUEJACKET...Tphuang is a moderator. It says so one his posts right there under his name. Just thought I would make sure you knew that.

 

[BLUEJACKET]

Uh...BLUEJACKET...Tphuang is a moderator. It says so one his posts right there under his name. Just thought I would make sure you knew that.

I found it after posting, and went back & edited it, but you caught it! Well, at least it's better to post old links than the dead ones!
did you check your inbox for my PM?

 

[Diving Falcon]

Escripts from the Jang interview with the PAF CAS - Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmad;

Q. Is Pakistan interested in purchasing an aerial refueling system? If true how will PAF utilize this air asset? There is unconfirmed news that Pakistan is considering Ukrainian aerial refueling systems. Is this true?

Ans. Correct! PAF is inducting four Russian origin aircraft equipped with aerial refueling systems from Ukraine. This will enhance defensive and offensive capabilities i.e. PAF’s deep strike capability as well as endurance for long CAP and BARCAP missions. Basically our major aim is to provide a complete aerial refueling system for our JF-17 Thunders which will form our backbone in near future.

Q. Will Pakistan be inducting Chinese KJ-2000 system?

Ans. China is our most sincere friend and in the previous decades, China has excelled in the aircraft development industry and has always offered us frontline equipment with the best package available. Hence we will consider our policies, revise our modernization program and will consider this system to be inducted in our air arsenal along with Erieye System.

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Note the PAF has confirmed that it will procure the IL-76/78 series for its air-to-air refueling requirement; AND the PAF Air Chief said the PAF is considering to induct the KJ-2000 AWACS system (which is mounted on the IL-76?).