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Geographer

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Well that goes for any country which spends on it's military even in UK we have a declining NHS budget 100 ambulances have been take off the roads and walk in centres have been closed not to mention private Heath care company's are popping up like no tomorrow defeating the whole reason why NHS was established all those years ago why do we need two carriers??

Point is everyone has to spend on defence poor or rich
Actually nearly every country including the U.S. and U.K. overspends on their military for reasons of national pride and paranoia. What percent of all the fighter planes purchased in the last 30 years world wide have seen combat? What percent of the submarines? What percent of the air-to-air missiles? What percent of the nuclear weapons? The answer are nearly zero.

But ask that question of schools, roads, hospitals, and ambulances. What percent of classrooms are overcrowded? What percent of roads are jammed with traffic or full of potholes? What percent of hospitals are overloaded?

What percent of Algerian teenagers want to attend university but cannot afford it? How many scholarships could one MEKO destroyer pay for?

Military spending is money directed to an unlikely future problem. Social spending is money directed to guaranteed problems seen today.
 

Jeff Head

General
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This was reported on the Pakistan thread, but I thought some folks might find interest in it here. Apparently, the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) took credit for the attack, which sounds credible to me, since they are the same people who attacked the Pakistani Air Base in May 2011. In any case, Pakistani Marines and special Forces put this one down rapidly.

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Dawn said:
KARACHI: While the Navy continues to remain tight-lipped about the attack on its dockyard in West Wharf on Sept 6, having issued a bare-bones statement 48 hours after the incident, further details have been obtained by Dawn that reveal the extent of radicalisation within the Navy.

According to informed sources, the attack was carried out entirely by serving Navy personnel, along with Owais Jakharani, a former Navy cadet who could have been given access inside without too much trouble.

“It seems the intention was to hijack PNS Zulfiqar [a frigate purchased from China and inducted in July 2009],” said one of these sources. “The group of would-be hijackers, led by a senior officer, was even saluted by the guard at the bottom of the gangway, before another became suspicious of their intentions and alerted other personnel.”

Naval commandos of PNS Iqbal rushed to the scene and a gunbattle ensued. One naval officer was killed and seven others were injured. Two or three of the attackers were shot dead, one of them being Jakharani, who the police claimed had drowned. Four attackers who had taken refuge in one of the ship’s compartments were locked in and later captured.

According to another source, no fewer than 17 more individuals — all Navy personnel, including the three arrested from Mastung in Balochistan while reportedly trying to make their way to Afghanistan — have been rounded up based on information extracted from those apprehended. It is believed the suspects are currently being interrogated at one of the military’s interrogation centres.

Also, while Commander Kamran Asif told Associated Press that the militants were armed with rocket launchers, assault rifles and hand-grenades, Dawn has been given information that the weapons had already been smuggled into the dockyard and had been stored in lockers by the rogue personnel.

There has been considerable speculation on whether the attackers arrived at the dockyard by sea or took the West Wharf road that leads to the site. According to a fisheries worker, when fishermen make their way back into the harbour from the open sea, four to five Navy patrol boats carrying heavily armed personnel check their vessels when they pass the dockyard. But as it turns out, neither the sea nor the land route was needed for entry for all but one of the attackers.

The Navy, it seems, was keen to keep the entire incident under wraps from the outset. According to the SHO Dockyards, Sajjad Mangi, he rushed with his team to the naval dockyard at around 9am that day when he received information of firing on the premises of the highly sensitive location.

“We found the area cordoned off by security personnel,” said the SHO, adding that he heard the firing continue for 10 to15 minutes. “They told us it was part of Defence Day celebrations and there was nothing to be alarmed about.”

When Mr Mangi requested to speak to a senior officer, he was put in touch with Commander Mohabbat Khan on the phone who also told him that the firing was nothing out of the ordinary, and there was no need of any assistance from police. Meanwhile, his senior SP Altaf Leghari, whom he had informed, also arrived on the scene. Following the assurance from the commander, they returned with the police force.

After news of the attack broke, city police chief Ghulam Qadir Thebo said the body of Owais Jakharani, a former sailor who quit the Navy a few months ago — some say he was expelled — had been recovered from the sea and that initial investigations suggested that the young man was one of the attackers and, in the absence of bullet wounds, appeared to have drowned. Given that no FIR of this incident has been registered, how could any investigation have even begun?

Incidentally, registering a first information report is mandatory when any crime occurs, even on the premises of a military facility. The fact that it was not registered in this case indicates the lengths to which the Navy — a 31,000-man branch of the military – has gone to keep the investigation in its sole control without sharing on the record information with civilian agencies as it is bound by law to do so.

According to actual events pieced through information provided only on condition of anonymity by several highly placed and credible sources, a very interesting story has emerged.

As per sources in police, on Sept 8, “an unnamed body was handed to us and it was in several pieces”. They said they delivered the dismembered corpse to the Edhi morgue at 5.30pm as an unclaimed body the same day.

This was confirmed by the spokesman for Edhi Foundation, Anwar Kazmi, who said the body parts were collected by Mr Jakharani’s family the next day at 11.30am.

Security experts say the deliberate media blackout on the incident for two days was understandable.

“It was also possible because the attack occurred deep inside an area that is not easily accessible unlike, for instance, the attack on the Mehran naval aviation station [in May 2011],” said Ahmed Chinoy, chief of the Citizens-Police Liaison Committee, “The Navy may have got some solid leads from the four militants they captured and wanted to follow up on them.”

The uncharacteristically late claim of responsibility for the attack that emerged from TTP spokesman Shahidullah Shahid on the day following the Navy’s statement adds another interesting dimension to the incident.

He declared that the militants were successful in penetrating the security cordon because of inside help and that TTP would continue targeting security forces.

The reason for the delayed claim may well be that those in direct contact with the TTP were either killed or captured at the dockyards immediately following the incident.

“I think the collaborators outside didn’t know themselves how things had turned out, whether the attackers had all been massacred or not,” said Mr Chinoy. “It would also have been very difficult for them to access any information, given the tight security in the area following the incident.”

One of many naval facilities in the area, the Navy dockyard occupies less than 80 acres, and is located at the end of West Wharf Road.

It is about four kilometres from the mouth of Karachi harbour.

The whole operation was so swift that some residents of Baba and Bhit islands barely half a kilometre from the site said that they neither saw nor heard anything out of the ordinary that day.

This is the latest attack on a branch of the military that has been a repeated target of militant assaults, including two attacks on Navy buses in April 2011, the Mehran naval base attack the month after, and a number of targeted killings of naval officers in Karachi.

The Mehran assault lasted 18 hours, killed 10 people and destroyed/damaged several multi-million dollar surveillance aircraft.

As always, though it was conceded that the attackers had inside help, credible findings of the inquiry report are yet to be made public.

The same opacity and determination to keep itself above the law has been demonstrated across various branches of the military time and again — whether it is the matter of forcibly disappeared people, or the catastrophic failure of intelligence in the Bin Laden affair.

What is needed is lot more openness, accountability and better screening techniques in the military, as well as an acknowledgement that the people of Pakistan are partners in the fight against terrorism, rather than adversaries to be kept at bay.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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Israeli Navy Sa'ar 5 class corvettes fitted with IAI EL/M-2248 MF-STAR multifunction AESA radar, AEGIS-like radar system.

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POKL

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I do not think this has been reported on Sinodefence yet.

Saudi Arabia has Acquired the DF-21 Missiles

Retired Saudi General Dr.Anwar Eshqi and advisor to the joint military council gave a statement to the media when asked about new acquisitions and said "Saudi military did indeed receive the DF-21 missile from China and all integration of the missiles including a full maintenance and upgrade facility are complete" he further elaborated that the acquisition of these missiles are not meant as an offensive force by Saudi Arabia, but to further strengthen its mission to protect the holy places and other allied countries under its protective umbrella.

link to the original story, sorry in Arabic.

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An interesting development I must say.
 
I do not think this has been reported on Sinodefence yet.

Saudi Arabia has Acquired the DF-21 Missiles

Retired Saudi General Dr.Anwar Eshqi and advisor to the joint military council gave a statement to the media when asked about new acquisitions and said "Saudi military did indeed receive the DF-21 missile from China and all integration of the missiles including a full maintenance and upgrade facility are complete" he further elaborated that the acquisition of these missiles are not meant as an offensive force by Saudi Arabia, but to further strengthen its mission to protect the holy places and other allied countries under its protective umbrella.

link to the original story, sorry in Arabic.

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An interesting development I must say.

I am not familiar with Middle Eastern news outlets, is this a reliable source?
 

POKL

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OKAZ, the newspaper and its website are long established and have a wide circulation in Saudi Arabia and can be considered Saudi equivalent of category MSM, so it is not in the tabloid category. I would say that it is as reliable as any other MSM media outlet.
 

ShahryarHedayat

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TEHRAN (FNA)- Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps unveiled a home-made high-explosive mine in a ceremony attended by IRGC Ground Force Commander Brigadier General Mohammad Pakpour on Sunday.
Among the weapons test-fired today was a rotating three-cylinder cannon, 'Asefeh', which was unveiled a few months ago and can be used to target and destroy hostile flying objects in low altitudes.

Another system which was unveiled and test-fired was 'Ramait' high-explosive roadside mine which can destroy an armored column within a radius of 100-150 meters with high precision.

Also a solo weapon, 'Fateh', was the third system unveiled this afternoon. Fateh is an Iran-made assault rifle that fires 5.56mm bullets.

"Ramait roadside mine which enjoys good capabilities will be mass-produced tomorrow," Pakpour told FNA today.

He added that other systems tested today are also ready for mass-production.

The Iranian Armed Forces have recently test-fired different types of newly-developed missiles and torpedoes and tested a large number of home-made weapons, tools and equipment, including submarines, military ships, artillery, choppers, aircrafts, UAVs and air defense and electronic systems, during massive military drills.

Defense analysts and military observers say that Iran's wargames and its advancements in weapons production have proved as a deterrent factor, specially at a time of heightened threats by the US.



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TerraN_EmpirE

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Also a solo weapon, 'Fateh', was the third system unveiled this afternoon. Fateh is an Iran-made sniper rifle that fires 5.56mm bullets.
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It's not a Sniper Rifle it's a assault Rifle looks like a Short stroke piston operation, Controls suggest Influence of a AR15 And FN SCAR. barrel length looks to be about 14.5 to 16 inch( I would lay money on the 14.5 inch as it has the same profile as a M4 barrel with M203 Cut suggesting they might share the same barrel) . possibly a AR18 based design. stock looks to lack hinges suggesting it can't fold that might mean it has a buffer tube assembly like most AR's or it could be that they did not decide to show the folder yet. rear Iron look to be clone of the LMT Rear Iron.
This is not the First Iranian home made Assault rifle.
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Miragedriver

Brigadier
New Iraqi Pantsir S1 (SA-22 Greyhound) SPAAGM & IGLA-S (SA-24 GRINCH)

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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 
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