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Analyst: Iran's carrier replica unlikely to be movie prop
Mar. 24, 2014 - 02:15PM |


By Jeff Schogol
Staff Writer Navy times
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Iranian media reports that Iran is building a replica of a U.S. aircraft carrier for a prop in an upcoming movie strain credibility, a naval analyst told Military Times.

The New York Times first reported that satellite photographs show the Iranians are building a non-working replica of the USS Nimitz that is two-thirds the size of the actual ship. Iranian newspapers have subsequently reported that the mockup is a prop for an upcoming movie about an Iranian airliner shot down by a U.S. cruiser in 1988, according to The Guardian.

But the costs of building such a big model of a ship make it hard to believe that it would be used for a movie, said Christopher Harmer, of the Institute for the Study of War.

“It only makes sense to build a two-thirds model of a ship for movie if you are making a major commercial success movie,” Harmer told Military Times on Monday.

However, Harmer acknowledged it is possible the Iranians are making a lavish propaganda film along the lines of Nazi epics late in World War II.

“It would be an utterly ridiculous waste of money, but it’s just barely possible that the Iranians are that stupid,” he said.

It is far more likely that the Iranians are building a replica of a U.S. aircraft carrier to practice their swarm techniques, Harmer said. After losing battles with the U.S. Navy in the 1980s, the Iranians realized that they could not defeat the U.S. Navy in a conventional fight, so they have adopted Kamikaze tactics in which hundreds or thousands of small boats armed with rocket launchers or machine guns would launch suicide attacks against U.S. warships.

“What they need is a big ship that looks roughly like an aircraft carrier so they can practice attacking it so they can see what they think would be the vulnerabilities,” Harmer said.
I Agree, this thing is not a movie prop. I mean In this day and age with CGI and we know the Iranian have that, or even old school models. the need for a 2/3rds scale model is really a expensive waste of money and time unless it's for another use. I still forward my Missile test theory.
 

Jeff Head

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You can tell from this pic that this thing was never meant to be operational as any kind of carrier. You can see right through the bottom of it. The flight deck is far too flimsy.

It is clearly a structure built on a barge like vessel that it will not even make for a good SINKEX or Live-Fire test because the impact on this thing would not come close to what you would see with the impact of their weapons on a true replica of a carrier that was supposed to tell them anything of value. This thing will go up in flames quickly and sink quickly.

That's why I think it is purely a prop, probably for propaganda purposes. They are building something that exteriorly looks like a US carrier...and painting it up...perhaps put a few of their old, non-flyable, non-working, scavenged F-14s on it, and then blow it up with some missiles for propaganda purposes for their own populace.

Probably try and sell it to their people as a hammer blow against America, their, "Great Satan."
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
That's part of the reasoning behind my thinking Jeff, the Iranian missile could be a hunk of junk but as long as it launches and hits the thing the Iranian regime would have a instant propaganda video. The fact that the carrier is little more then a barge and some paint will matter little to the Iranian public. The only thing that seems to have gone wrong for the Iranian plan is the cat was let out of the bag. And now they are racing to try and salvage the surprise.
 

Equation

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lXv6xMw.jpg


You can tell from this pic that this thing was never meant to be operational as any kind of carrier. You can see right through the bottom of it. The flight deck is far too flimsy.

It is clearly a structure built on a barge like vessel that it will not even make for a good SINKEX or Live-Fire test because the impact on this thing would not come close to what you would see with the impact of their weapons on a true replica of a carrier that was supposed to tell them anything of value. This thing will go up in flames quickly and sink quickly.

That's why I think it is purely a prop, probably for propaganda purposes. They are building something that exteriorly looks like a US carrier...and painting it up...perhaps put a few of their old, non-flyable, non-working, scavenged F-14s on it, and then blow it up with some missiles for propaganda purposes for their own populace.

Probably try and sell it to their people as a hammer blow against America, their, "Great Satan."

That's part of the reasoning behind my thinking Jeff, the Iranian missile could be a hunk of junk but as long as it launches and hits the thing the Iranian regime would have a instant propaganda video. The fact that the carrier is little more then a barge and some paint will matter little to the Iranian public. The only thing that seems to have gone wrong for the Iranian plan is the cat was let out of the bag. And now they are racing to try and salvage the surprise.


True, but what a waste of good metal. Oh well at least the sea creatures will get to enjoy their new home once this thing becomes artificial reefs.
 

Jeff Head

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True, but what a waste of good metal. Oh well at least the sea creatures will get to enjoy their new home once this thing becomes artificial reefs.
I'm not sure how much is metal and how much is wood.

Whatever, it just goes to show what lengths such regimes will go to to spread propoganda and buttress themselves.
 

Jeff Head

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That's part of the reasoning behind my thinking Jeff, the Iranian missile could be a hunk of junk but as long as it launches and hits the thing the Iranian regime would have a instant propaganda video. The fact that the carrier is little more then a barge and some paint will matter little to the Iranian public.
Amen to every bit of that, Terran.

But looking at the one pic from dockside, I have to say that that fake carrier appears to be more than 1/2 to 2/3rd scale. it looks long enough there to be 1:1.
 

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Obama Seeks to Calm Saudis as Paths Split

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICKMARCH 27, 2014

CAIRO — Over seven decades, the United States and Saudi Arabia forged a strategic alliance that became a linchpin of the regional order: a liberal democracy and an ultraconservative monarchy united by shared interests in the stability of the Middle East and the continued flow of oil.

But with President Obama arriving in Riyadh on Friday, the rulers of Saudi Arabia say they feel increasingly compelled to go their own way, pursuing starkly different strategies from Washington in dealing with Iran, Syria, Egypt and the role of the Muslim Brotherhood in the region.

“Their view of Mr. Obama is that his entire understanding is wrong,” said Mustafa Alani, an analyst at the Geneva-based Gulf Research Center who is close to the Saudi monarchy. “The trust in him is not very high, so he will not have an easy ride, and a lot of hard questions will be put on the table.”

Saudi Arabia’s leaders had historically favored a quiet, backstage approach to international relations. They preferred to use their oil wealth to buy influence from behind the scenes while allies like Egypt and the United States led the way out front. But the United States has scaled back its military role in the region after the war in Iraq, and since the Arab Spring, Egypt has been consumed by its own internal turmoil.

Saudi Arabian officials say that has forced them to pursue their own course, to try to contain Iran, oust President Bashar al-Assad of Syria and support the military-backed government that has taken over in Egypt.

For Mr. Obama, the disposition of the Saudis is now a main concern as he plots a policy toward both Syria and Iran. A central goal of his visit is to reassure Saudi Arabia that Washington’s commitment to its security will not be compromised by negotiations with Iran about lifting sanctions in exchange for limits on its nuclear program.

In Egypt, Saudi Arabia has effectively replaced the United States as Cairo’s chief benefactor, in tandem with the United Arab Emirates. That gives the two monarchies enormous influence in Egypt, which was once Washington’s other key Arab ally. And the Saudis have already used that influence to undercut American policy. Riyadh encouraged the military’s ouster of the Muslim Brotherhood from power and the subsequent crackdown on its supporters, while United States diplomats hustled in vain to avert both moves.

Now the Obama administration is hoping to persuade Saudi Arabia to use its greater clout with Cairo to convince the government there to rein in its repression of the opposition and begin to overhaul its economy — the Western formula for restoring stability.

“The Saudis realize that the interim Egyptian government is overshooting the runway with regards to their crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood,” an administration official said on the condition of anonymity to discuss Mr. Obama’s coming visit. “The Saudis realize that the Egyptians have crossed the line with the massive crackdown on journalists, secular opposition, foreign embassy employees, etc.”

But after backing the removal of the Brotherhood’s Mohamed Morsi as president of Egypt, the Saudis have now taken the lead in a campaign against the Brotherhood across the region.

“It is a war,” said a former Saudi official with ties to members of the royal family. “They see the Muslim Brotherhood as an existential threat, and there are some people who think that it is possible to eradicate the Brotherhood throughout the region.”


Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, along with Kuwait, have already given more than $15 billion in aid and loans to Egypt. In recent weeks, a construction company linked to the government of the Emirates announced plans for a partnership with the Egyptian military to build more than $40 billion in new housing in Egypt.

Abdul-Fattah el-Sisi, the general who ousted the elected president and is now planning to succeed him, presented the housing project to the Egyptian public on the eve of declaring his intention to seek the presidency. And the Emirates have sent one of their government’s ministers of state, Sultan Ahmed al-Jaber, to spend much of his time in Cairo to help the Egyptian government with its economy.


The Saudis have sometimes financed jihadists abroad when in served their interests, in Afghanistan during the 1980s, for example, and in Syria now. But the Saudi royal family, which draws its legitimacy from an ultraconservative Salafi branch of Islam, has long feared the Muslim Brotherhood because of its rival blend of religion and politics and its effectiveness at political organizing. Saudi officials often quote Prince Nayef bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, the former long-serving interior minister: “All our problems come from the Muslim Brotherhood,” he once declared, arguing that the group “has destroyed the Arab world.”

But the country’s open support for the military ouster of the Muslim Brotherhood has risks as well. The takeover and crackdown have elicited stirrings of dissent from Saudi clerics sympathetic to the Brotherhood. And around the region, Saudi Arabia is “losing friends left and right,” said Frederic Wehrey, a scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

“The generals are going to have to show that they can govern more effectively than the Brotherhood did, and it is a great worry for the Saudis that the generals might flame out as well,” said Robert W. Jordan, a former United States ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

Saudi journalists say the country’s government-controlled news media has been more protective of Egypt’s new military-backed government than of the royal family. When an Egyptian Army doctor recently announced that the military had discovered a cure for AIDS and hepatitis C, for example, the rest of the Arab world reverberated with ridicule. But Saudi Arabian news outlets all but ignored the fiasco.

In the past month, Saudi Arabia criminalized membership in the Muslim Brotherhood and classified it as a terrorist organization on par with Al Qaeda.

Its Interior Ministry issued a new law imposing harsh penalties on Saudis who join the fighting in Syria for fear that they might return as hardened militants. And to punish neighboring Qatar for its support of the Brotherhood, King Abdullah led the coordinated withdrawal from Qatar of his own ambassador and the envoys from the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Egypt.

At a private gathering of Arab security chiefs at the Four Seasons Hotel in Marrakesh, Morocco, two weeks ago, the Saudi interior minister asked every Arab country to outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood, to heated opposition, according to officials from several countries who were briefed on the meeting. Brotherhood-aligned parties are accepted parts of the political establishment in much of the Arab world.

Saudi leaders are already vexed at Mr. Obama for failing to throw America’s military might behind their proxy war with Tehran in Syria, where the Saudis are sending money and weapons to back the Sunni-dominated rebels. And the Saudis were flabbergasted last year when Mr. Obama reversed course at the last minute, calling off missile strikes against the Assad government for its use of chemical weapons.

Mr. Obama opted instead for a deal for Mr. Assad to surrender the weapons, and then watched as the Syrian government rolled back the rebels using conventional force.

Mr. Obama “has got it all wrong when it comes to Iran,” Faisal J. Abbas, a commentator for the Saudi-owned news network Al Arabiya, wrote in a column this week, accusing the president of a “new fondness” for the Iranians and calling it “the heart of the problem” in his relations with the Saudis.

But the Obama administration still hopes for Saudi help with Egypt. “The Saudis also don’t have the intent or inclination to float the Egyptian economy forever,” said the administration official, so it will need to restructure its economy. “The Saudis also get that won’t happen if the current political climate continues.”
I notice that this article says nothing about the role of Saudi Arabia in the terrorist campaign in Iraq. That campaign isn't seen as a problem because NYT wants to see Iraq punished for not signing a Status of Forces Agreement with the US?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
IT also Fails to mention that the Saudi Check for Egyptian military Arms was mailed to Russia.
So the Saudi's are paying the Russians for arms in Egypt.
The Russians are backing Assad and Iran in the Syrian Civil War Who are Fighting militants
Backed By the Saudis.

Confused yet?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Qatar plans €2bn NH90 acquisition
By: DOMINIC PERRYLONDON Source: Flightglobal.com in 3 hours
Qatar has signed a letter of intent covering the possible acquisition of 22 NH Industries NH90 helicopters in a deal worth around €2 billion ($2.8 billion).

Revealed at the recent Doha International Maritime Defence Exhibition and Conference, the tentative deal covers the purchase of 12 of the TTH troop transport variant and 10 of the navalised NFH model.

No timeline has been revealed for the conclusion of the negotiations and NH Industries - a three-way consortium comprising Airbus Helicopters, AgustaWestland and Fokker - declines to comment on the deal.

Although the 11t-class NH90 has a backlog of a little over 300 units according to Flightglobal's Ascend Online database, the type has struggled to attract additional orders and has faced cancellations from its initial customers. As such, the Qatar deal represents significant new business for the type.

Airbus Helicopters revealed in January that it was in talks with the Gulf state over a possible order, but industry insiders say they did not expect discussions to have progressed so rapidly.

If finalised, Qatar would become the second Middle Eastern customer for the type, with Oman having already ordered four of the TTH variant.

So far the programme has delivered 186 helicopters, with the 200th handover previsioned for the second quarter.

Separately, Germany, which is looking to renegotiate a broader commitment for new helicopters, is close to finalising a memorandum of understanding signed last year which would see it cut its order for Airbus Helicopters Tiger attack rotorcraft to 57 from 80 and NH90 TTHs to 82 from 122.

It plans to use the near €1.15 billion saving to fund the development and acquisition of 18 examples of a new NFH variant it calls "Sea Lion" to replace its navy's Westland Lynx and Sea King fleets.
Qatar air force selects Airbus to supply A330 MRTTs
By: STEPHEN TRIMBLEWASHINGTON DC Source: Flightglobal.com 17 hours ago
The Qatar Emiri Air Force has selected Airbus Defence & Space to supply two A330 multi-role tanker transports (MRTT), potentially adding a seventh customer for the type.

Airbus announced the selection on 27 March, with virtually no prior warning of a potential sale.

Qatar's air force has no in-flight refueling capability today, but it has been steadily building up its transport capacity.

Lockheed Martin has delivered four C-130J-30s and Boeing has delivered four C-17s to Doha in the last four years, joining a fleet of Airbus and Boeing commercial aircraft serving as VIP transports.

The tanker selection also comes amidst an extended selection process for Qatar to buy up to 72 fighters to replace an ageing fleet of 12 Dassault Mirage 2000-5s.

The bidding process has drawn interest from all of the western fighter makers except Saab, with the Boeing F-15E and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and the Lockheed Martin F-16 all in contention.

Airbus has so far delivered 17 A330 MRTTs among five signed customers with a total of 34 orders. Singapore has also ordered six of the aircraft, while India also is in the final stages of negotiating an order for six more, the company says.

The converted A330-200 is capable of carrying 111t (245,000lb) of fuel.
Choppers and Tankers
 
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I notice that this article says nothing about the role of Saudi Arabia in the terrorist campaign in Iraq. That campaign isn't seen as a problem because NYT wants to see Iraq punished for not signing a Status of Forces Agreement with the US?

Saudi Arabia is the friend of whoever wants to see the Middle East remain backwards and tribal, the Saudis' sole goal is to maximize the power of their medieval style monarchy within the patchwork of Middle Eastern countries. Others were fine with that for the Middle East to mainly create trouble for itself and for resource exploitation, but the rest of the world has moved on and the Saudis have been too successful for their own good as what they still want is proving to be too backwards for practically everyone else.
 
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