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TerraN_EmpirE said:

as it turns out their is even more to the story. Firearms blog did a fallow up on their spotting of it. Unnamed sources state that groups like Hezbollah favor Israeli made weapons and accessories. They get them imported in from other parts of the world with the made in Israel mark scratched out. Now the magazine in that device is a Stanag style meaning its designed to fit any NATO standard assault rifle that standard is based on the ar15 so that mag release is a mag release basicly the grip is a magazine well with out a receiver.the advantage is you have a spare magazine ready to load right at you loading hand. As well as the extra control in shooting offered by the grip.

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I think you may be overestimating the thinking behind that mod. The M4/14/AR15 have a side mag release catch. You cannot do an AK47 style mag bump to drop the spent magazine. As such, trying to release the spent mag with a fresh one already in your hand is not so straight forward and may cause you problems.

As I see it, the primary reason for that mod was to jury rig a tactical grip for added stability and control rather than to have a spare mag for quick changes. The M4 mag well was chosen because it was readily available. It may well be an option as an additiona magazine storage solution, but considering the extra weight of a loaded mag compared to an empty one, the marginal time and movement savings from releasing the mag and changing out the spent one compared to the standard mag change form a pouch, I would not be surprised if the shooter decided it was just not worth it to add a lot of excess dead weight to the front of his gun and just used an empty mag for the foregrip.

Personally, I would have just used a solid cylinder of hard rubber and screwed that to the bottom of that M4/16 to make a better tactical grip. Although if I had an AK47, I may give serious thought to using that idea for a tactical grip that doubled up as a spare magazine for emergencies since you would get real meaningful time savings with an AK47 style mag release system by using the mag bump method.

Wolf. there is just one problem with your write up.
We are talking about the accessory mounted to the AR15 on the left of the photo not the AK on the right.

my apologies I was rushed and did not get a chance too read your whole post. your right it's more for stability.
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TerraN_EmpirE said:

Wolf. there is just one problem with your write up.
We are talking about the accessory mounted to the AR15 on the left of the photo not the AK on the right.

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That's exactly what I was talking about.

Maybe I wasn't being as clear as I could be, but IMO, adding a loaded clip to that front grip on the M4/AR15 will not save the shooter much time compared to using a normal pouch mag because of the design of the mag release catch on the M4/AR15 series. When you factor in the issues with adding the dead weight of a fully loaded magazine so far forwards on the gun, the benefits just don't justify the costs IMO.

OTOH, such a grip placed on an AK47 would offer real, meaningful time savings between reloads compared to a pouch because with an AK47, you can use the mag bump method to quickly and easily change a spent mag while you have a fresh one in your hand.

it's easier to do with a AR mag because the Magazine loads straight up. when you push the mag release it drops right out. The AK series mag Rocks into place you have to catch it at the front and rotate back until you lock the mag catch. so a accessory like this would be more complex to work and might not shave much time.

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it's easier to do with a AR mag because the Magazine loads straight up. when you push the mag release it drops right out. The AK series mag Rocks into place you have to catch it at the front and rotate back until you lock the mag catch. so a accessory like this would be more complex to work and might not shave much time.

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Which one do you prefer? I've never fired an AK type weapon before, therefore can't really compare as one would like to.

Eq There are enough AKvs AR which is better thread on the net to boggle the mind. My opinion does not matter. both are lethal effective weapons if properly used. We can argue for improvements but otherwise it's like comparing a T-rex to Giganotosaurus if your the prey who cars which teeth your staring at. both are top predators.

Israel reorganises transport squadrons ahead of C-130J deployment
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By: ARIE EGOZI TEL AVIV 11:10 21 Aug 2013 Source: Flight global.

Israel's air force has begun reorganising the composition of its Lockheed Martin C-130 squadrons, ahead of deployment of its new J-model aircraft.

The service will consolidate 'Elephants' squadron and 'Yellow Bird' squadron into one unit. However, the former will operate C-130Js - known as Samson in Israeli service - while the latter will fly the upgraded H-model aircraft.

In June, Lockheed Martin delivered the first of three C-130Js ordered by Israel, which is currently being outfitted in the USA to Israeli air force standards.

Formal handover to the service is anticipated in early 2014.

Jerusalem plans to order an additional three aircraft.

The Israeli air force operates 12 C-130s, all E- or H-model variants, with the former due to be phased out.

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I wonder if the Isrealis have any options on the Roll on Roll Muntions kits like the MC130J's gunslinger and bushmaster cannon.

Franklin said:

It seems that president Obama and the generals at the Pentagon are very reluctent to get involved in the conflict in Syria. Any action that may come will most likely be very limited. Perhabs a few cruise missile strikes. But it seems that the congress and the senate and some of America's allies in Europe and the region are pushing for a much tougher response and wants a repeat of the Libya exercise. The way that the media is portraying things in Syria doesn't help either. So far the troop movement has been very limited just four destroyers and there are a few F-16's in Jordan left from a exercise earlier this year.

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First, four AEGIS Burke destroyers together there off the Syrian Coast is not a "limited," or minor deployment at all.

2nd, despite his words, Obama has been championing interventions of one type or another throughout the Mid East and all of them have been disasters.

If we have those four Burke destroyers off of the coast of Syria, it represents a huge stick that is either there to abjectly intimidate the Syrians, or will be used to attack them.

Syria can be dangerous. They have some very decent modern weaponry and if they have any Yakhonts left, they are a grave threat and the vessels need to stand well off the coast to have time to respond and have full time over watch aircraft in the air (like E-3s or E-2Cs) to be able to track them...and for Heaven's sake, they better not operate with their CIWS and missile defense turned off! But, as Asif indicated, I too hope Israel got them all

IMO I think President Obama is doing a limited strike on certain Assad targets trying to get him agitated enough to do something stupid that will get the international community condemnation that can lead to a ground war (either by multinational combine forces or a no fly zone and complete air domination over Syria) to get Assad out of Syria.